NERE fight: a TOTAL GAME OVER

[SkgNovaLover]

So I played Bg3 for a while since game's out, on hard and I found the game indeed hard but doable. I defeat the three goblins lords, the bulette, the spider matriarch, the three ogres, the aladins of Tyr, the Hag.
Every time I reached those battles I always found a way to overcome the difficulty. Making a barricade, using explosive barrels, plain fighting, hitting some items around, beforehand planning, positioning...

But I am against Nere now. Cause I don't want just to use Metal Gear 3 The End cheese or let all the slaves die.

And I am completely stuck. There is no way to deal with such large number of enemies and such powerful abilities. Enemy hp is not the problem, the problem is they are too much and too much strong. And I cannot rest, and I cannot leave the Grymforge.

I tried different positions, different tactics, I tried to kill them before Nere but they are still too many.
So I asked for help. The only solution seems playing game on easy (on medium the power of Nere is still too much high) or find a duergar who wants to side with you. Problem is this dialog is already gone by accident cause I don't play a game within a step by step guide at my side. Also the fact I had to use a guide to know that is already not a good thing.

This is what I call a total GAME OVER: the game is done. No way to solve situation.

How do you solve a TOTAL GAME OVER?
You leave that game and go back in time. And make a new one from the very start or hours earlier, backtracking every possible outcome and re-doing every possible dialog in the correct way. So no choices. Only a path.

Otherwise you play on easy. No, sorry. Hard doesn't mean impossible.

I found only one game that presented me a TOTAL GAME OVER, even if I played within the best way possible. And that game now is a 2/10.

I don't want such an end for Bg3. Tell me there is a way to avid this TOTAL GAME OVER without re-playing part of the game within the "I already saw stuff" attitude.

EDIT: Ok, in the end what I read from discussions lead me to this solution. I have to reload before I enter the Grymforge and plan every move "knowing the future", replaying everything and talking again with everyone. Not that kind of problem workaround I like but that's it. As one said too many bridges were burnt by accident. This doesn't change the fact I cannot proceed in other ways without reloading. Too much resources were spent.

[SkgNovaLover]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

That's Metal Gear 3 The End cheese. And that means all the work I made so far on my party is useless. My party useless. So a complete fail. I can go play candy crush then.



I didn't use helping mods even against Malenia in Elden Ring, and I defeated her alone no help no cheeses. No way I use mods.

talk to the npcs around, there are ways to get allies to mitigate the numbers advantage.

hell there is plenty of up you can do to get an overwhleming advantage in general as well if you unchain your allies.

That dialog option is burnt. I just didn't find it cause I don't play within a guide near the screen. And wherever I move there are fights to deal with and I cannot rest nor leave. Well, I can, but the slaves die and Nere too. And that would be just a cheese.

[zero]

Originally posted by Rex:

I beat it with crowd control. Hold person very powerful there. Nere was easy, the adds were not.

spirit guardian run around did a lot of work for me personally, great cause SH has like 19ac at this point so they're just a walking aoe damage

[zero]

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

Originally posted by zero:

talk to the npcs around, there are ways to get allies to mitigate the numbers advantage.

hell there is plenty of up you can do to get an overwhleming advantage in general as well if you unchain your allies.

That dialog option is burnt. I just didn't find it cause I don't play within a guide near the screen. And wherever I move there are fights to deal with and I cannot rest nor leave. Well, I can, but the slaves die and Nere too. And that would be just a cheese.

i hate to tell you this bout out of all the "you dont need a guide" examples this game has, the "talk to the guy with the shop icon that you have to pass by" is probably one of the least guide needing examples i can give.

you could always load an older save though if you burned that many bridges.

[dulany67]

Kill deurger in surrounding areas first. Approach room from platform on the right. When you attack, the two hardest dwarves will climb up to close with you. Use CC to hold them up. Use spirit guardians on SH. Be prepared to lift downed companions. Hopefully you have some pots, and use whatever scrolls you have.

Once the dwarves are dead, free nere and he isn't very hard.

[SkgNovaLover]

Originally posted by zero:

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

That dialog option is burnt. I just didn't find it cause I don't play within a guide near the screen. And wherever I move there are fights to deal with and I cannot rest nor leave. Well, I can, but the slaves die and Nere too. And that would be just a cheese.

i hate to tell you this bout out of all the "you dont need a guide" examples this game has, the "talk to the guy with the shop icon that you have to pass by" is probably one of the least guide needing examples i can give.

you could always load an older save though if you burned that many bridges.

I talk to everyone. And here we are to what I said at the beginning. I burnt a bridge cause I just followed another dialog path and now it's almost game over. Yeah, almost. Cause I read that there are a mini-way to solve this knot without reloading big chunks of gametime. But it will be very very hard. And I think I alreayd wasted too many resources on the mimics and the scavenger group.

[rpp1031]

I'll preface this by saying that I haven't played on hard, having said that... Before going to the spot where the collapse is, before the merchant tent, there are 2 'guards' chatting. You can pick a fight with them and no one else comes to their aid, this reduces the number of people you have to fight at once, additionally, you can instigate a fight with the mind master before freeing Nere further reducing the opposition, once they are dead you can blow the rubble and then you can fight Nere alone

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

NERE fight: a TOTAL GAME OVER
So I played Bg3 for a while since game's out, on hard and I found the game indeed hard but doable. I defeat the three goblins lords, the bulette, the spider matriarch, the three ogres, the aladins of Tyr, the Hag.
Every time I reached those battles I always found a way to overcome the difficulty. Making a barricade, using explosive barrels, plain fighting, hitting some items around, beforehand planning, positioning...

But I am against Nere now. Cause I don't want just to use Metal Gear 3 The End cheese or let all the slaves die.

And I am completely stuck. There is no way to deal with such large number of enemies and such powerful abilities. Enemy hp is not the problem, the problem is they are too much and too much strong. And I cannot rest, and I cannot leave the Grymforge.

I tried different positions, different tactics, I tried to kill them before Nere but they are still too many.
So I asked for help. The only solution seems playing game on easy (on medium the power of Nere is still too much high) or find a duergar who wants to side with you. Problem is this dialog is already gone by accident cause I don't play a game within a step by step guide at my side. Also the fact I had to use a guide to know that is already not a good thing.

This is what I call a total GAME OVER: the game is done. No way to solve situation.

How do you solve a TOTAL GAME OVER?
You leave that game and go back in time. And make a new one from the very start or hours earlier, backtracking every possible outcome and re-doing every possible dialog in the correct way. So no choices. Only a path.

Otherwise you play on easy. No, sorry. Hard doesn't mean impossible.

I found only one game that presented me a TOTAL GAME OVER, even if I played within the best way possible. And that game now is a 2/10.

I don't want such an end for Bg3. Tell me there is a way to avid this TOTAL GAME OVER without re-playing part of the game within the "I already saw stuff" attitude.

It is just one guy.

[magattatou]

I found this fight difficult only when I tried to take them all down head on. Last time I decided to be a bit more sneaky about things.

Luckily not all the duergar are in one spot.

What I did was get rid of the floating eyeball in stealth, first. Followed by convincing the spiders to leave, poisoning the ale, all that. Silence, fog, and darkness spells did wonders in getting rid of the rest outside of the plaza area Nere is at.

From there, I climbed onto the upper area that an archer camps out at, killed him, then cast Wall of Fire at the bottom of the rope ladder--but being careful not to burn the ladder itself. In order to get to you, the duergar have to run through the fire, making them pretty easy to kill them at half-health.

The gnomes just continue trying to dig at the wall the entire time, effectively staying out of the way.

Once the duergar are all dead you need to very quickly break concentration over the Wall of Fire since then the gnomes start running towards you.

From there, you just climb down the ladder, blow up the rock keeping Nere contained, cast Hold Person before he can actually leave, and then just shoot him with projectiles until he is dead. Don't get too close to him, otherwise you'll trigger the scene where he kills gnomes.

[Davokhiin]

Lots of lava around, push/thunderwave them into the lava if you are able

[whatdoesthisbuttondo?]

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

The easiest way is probably just going for a long rest or leaving the area and doing something else as that will lead to Nere dying in that room and you can move on, you can even loot his corpse as it will be left on the floor outside the room.

That's Metal Gear 3 The End cheese. And that means all the work I made so far on my party is useless. My party useless. So a complete fail. I can go play candy crush then.

It is certainly less cheese than save scumming the same fight over and over until you succeed, at least in my book, but you do whatever works for you.

Working around a problem your party can't smash through is a core part of the game really.

[Nyaria]

Have you attempted to kill all the deugar before freeing Nere?

It makes the fight alot easier, as it's only Nere vs You.

The Deugar aren't nearly as tough on their own as they are with Nere backing them up.

[Chiramu]

Originally posted by whatdoesthisbuttondo?:

The easiest way is probably just going for a long rest or leaving the area and doing something else as that will lead to Nere dying in that room and you can move on, you can even loot his corpse as it will be left on the floor outside the room.

I went to the forge expecting to rescue them afterwards only to find him just lying dead on the ground XD. Playing the Hero adds a lot of difficulty to the game imo. It is the hardest fight to try and save the Deep Gnomes.

[Rianith]

First playthrough somebody got lava'd immediately and 10 vs 3 was hopeless.
Had to reload and then go rest and pick up Nere's head in the morning,
which was actually Plan A, had just been very curious to see what Nere was like.
Second playthrough I was aware that there were pre-fight diplomacy options which TOTALLY levelled the playing field and made the battle a walk in the park. Recommended if you got a save from a little way back.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by SkgNovaLover:

Originally posted by zero:

talk to the npcs around, there are ways to get allies to mitigate the numbers advantage.

hell there is plenty of up you can do to get an overwhleming advantage in general as well if you unchain your allies.

That dialog option is burnt. I just didn't find it cause I don't play within a guide near the screen. And wherever I move there are fights to deal with and I cannot rest nor leave. Well, I can, but the slaves die and Nere too. And that would be just a cheese.

Its litterally an NPC on the way to Nere.

You cannot miss him. That part of the map is not a 'dangour zone'.

[ULTRA]

I beat that ♥♥♥♥ first try, I just had my berserker throw all those makeshift spears from the goblin camp into his face with gloves of uninhibited kushigo + ring of flinging + tavern brawler + elixir of hill giant strength, did like 60 damage or something total and then I think I just had Astarion hit him with a little cupid's dart