Why every random NPC must tell me that he is gay?

[Krito]

You know that classic situation then you ask someone how to get to this street, he answered you and then randomly say and if you didnt know I'M GAY!

I know you meet this situation at least three times per day? At least if you play BG3...

chef in brothel not just say that he is not interested, but of course because he has a husband.
Random people in front of main gate complaining about random staff and of corse some guy mentioned that he want to see his husband.
Some married couple celebrating their sons new job, oh wait shes divorcing this guy ripping him from all his money and running to her girlfriend. (so modern and progressive)

Maybe someone from harassed sexual minority? Heterosexhuals? can remember only this couple of tiflings in druid grove.

Looks like its not Baldurs gate and more like Brussels cleavage.

Is it really THAT mandatory? then why they called minority in real world i dont understand(

[shogunsmurf]

Originally posted by Mormacil:

Originally posted by shogunsmurf:

See and than you get this type of manipulation too to try and defend against a sensible argument.

Nobody said anything about hiding, we're talking about actively proclaiming it to the entire world.

Nobody except a bunch of hyper sensative activists of high school campuses, go around saying, "hey i'm gay!" or "hey i'm hetrosexual!" or "hey i'm a non-binary unicorn princess!" in what is essentially a bussiness transaction.

Someone else did make a proper point though, are they actually saying "i'm gay" ? or did the NPC say something like "I'll have to ask my husband" or something.

What is privacy but hiding things from the outside world?

And my experience in the corporate world when we meet new team members a short introduction that includes place of residence, marital status and possible children is the norm. So yeah I do experience people routinely telling me their marital status as new projects are brought to my team.

Do you know what "arguing on bad faith" is ?

So hiding and privacy are according to you, interchangable words with the exact same implication ? Shall we check the dictionary on that ?

So if i'm a "private" person ? I hide from the world ?........... Or is it more likely to mean that i'm not going to divulge personal information about myself unless aboslutely nessecary ?

"And my experience in the corporate world when we meet new team members a short introduction that includes place of residence, marital status and possible children is the norm. So yeah I do experience people routinely telling me their marital status as new projects are brought to my team. "

.....

"Someone else did make a proper point though, are they actually saying "i'm gay" ? or did the NPC say something like "I'll have to ask my husband" or something. "

.....

Ahhhh all these lovely low key knee jerk reactions. It's almost like some people cannot comphrend there can be more than 2 options......

EDIT : and for the record, I don't actually mind, but I can understand why especially a certain puritan christian population in the western hemosphere would be bothered.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Originally posted by amiablequinn:

I think my favorite part about Baldur's Gate, other than the excellent gameplay, is how angry the "Go Woke Go Broke" crowd is as their slogan is being proven to be hilariously wrong.

Volition has entered the chat

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Krito:

Originally posted by Mormacil:

No I was thinking of more historic periods like Ancient Greece, Mycenian Greece, Roman Republic, Basically pre-Christian Europe. But also ancient India and Mesopotamia. Again most old cultures outside of the Abrahamic religions.

But what time period are we talking? Because tech wise Faerun matches the early modern period of Europe quite well.

If you ever learn history that was not NORMAL at that time. It happened, but noone openly proclaimed it to at least his friends.

Oh at least you understand that Faerun is desighed after middle age europe.

If you want to continue think about it. In times with very high mortality rate and high mortality rate among childrens, and then one of the biggest assets om Empore would be people. How society will see relationships that exclude procreation?
If you answer this honestly then we can cintinue.

1) It was the norm, it was expected to have same sex relations in your youth before settling into a heterosexual marriage. That is still bisexuality.

2) Faerun is not remotely based on medieval Europe. It's based on medieval folklore but not history itself. In fact I would argue it's not based on that either as the technology of Faerun seems to extend well beyond what we had in the medieval era. It's more renaissance than medieval.

3) Statistically people with gay siblings have more successful offspring, this is one of the main pillars of the argument why homosexuality still exists in humans and was never 'bred out' by evolution. Having homosexual relationships has been seen and measured as beneficial on quite a many occasions. From the gay uncle hypothesis to the Theban Sacred Band and similar bonding rituals found among the Germanic tribes.

4) High infant mortality doesn't lead to people being the biggest asset. People become a valuable asset when they're relatively rare in relation to demand. High infant mortality by itself doesn't increase demand. But infant mortality is related to quality of medicine which is significantly higher in Faerun thanks to healing magic.

5) Life expectancy in the late middle ages and the renaissance wasn't extremely high outside of the Black Death. Given there is no Black Death in Faerun we have to take that into account. And outside of that coupled with healing magic life expectancy should be quite high.

[KashanCzechs]

Originally posted by Dr. Strangelove:

Originally posted by amiablequinn:

I think my favorite part about Baldur's Gate, other than the excellent gameplay, is how angry the "Go Woke Go Broke" crowd is as their slogan is being proven to be hilariously wrong.

Volition has entered the chat

Saints Row was never a good game. They failed because they made bad games, not woke games. Idiot.

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by shogunsmurf:

Originally posted by Mormacil:

What is privacy but hiding things from the outside world?

And my experience in the corporate world when we meet new team members a short introduction that includes place of residence, marital status and possible children is the norm. So yeah I do experience people routinely telling me their marital status as new projects are brought to my team.

Do you know what "arguing on bad faith" is ?

So hiding and privacy are according to you, interchangable words with the exact same implication ? Shall we check the dictionary on that ?

So if i'm a "private" person ? I hide from the world ?........... Or is it more likely to mean that i'm not going to divulge personal information about myself unless aboslutely nessecary ?

"And my experience in the corporate world when we meet new team members a short introduction that includes place of residence, marital status and possible children is the norm. So yeah I do experience people routinely telling me their marital status as new projects are brought to my team. "

.....

"Someone else did make a proper point though, are they actually saying "i'm gay" ? or did the NPC say something like "I'll have to ask my husband" or something. "

.....

Ahhhh all these lovely low key knee jerk reactions. It's almost like some people cannot comphrend there can be more than 2 options......

EDIT : and for the record, I don't actually mind, but I can understand why especially a certain puritan christian population in the western hemosphere would be bothered.

That's rich, if anyone is arguing in bad faith and attempting to straw man it's you. When I used the word hide I used it in the context of ensuring privacy which is a form of hiding. There's nothing gramatically wrong with using the word in that way. Might not be what you prefer but that's irrelevant as it's not your statement.

[KashanCzechs]

Originally posted by Mormacil:

Originally posted by Krito:

If you ever learn history that was not NORMAL at that time. It happened, but noone openly proclaimed it to at least his friends.

Oh at least you understand that Faerun is desighed after middle age europe.

If you want to continue think about it. In times with very high mortality rate and high mortality rate among childrens, and then one of the biggest assets om Empore would be people. How society will see relationships that exclude procreation?
If you answer this honestly then we can cintinue.

1) It was the norm, it was expected to have same sex relations in your youth before settling into a heterosexual marriage. That is still bisexuality.

2) Faerun is not remotely based on medieval Europe. It's based on medieval folklore but not history itself. In fact I would argue it's not based on that either as the technology of Faerun seems to extend well beyond what we had in the medieval era. It's more renaissance than medieval.

3) Statistically people with gay siblings have more successful offspring, this is one of the main pillars of the argument why homosexuality still exists in humans and was never 'bred out' by evolution. Having homosexual relationships has been seen and measured as beneficial on quite a many occasions. From the gay uncle hypothesis to the Theban Sacred Band and similar bonding rituals found among the Germanic tribes.

4) High infant mortality doesn't lead to people being the biggest asset. People become a valuable asset when they're relatively rare in relation to demand. High infant mortality by itself doesn't increase demand. But infant mortality is related to quality of medicine which is significantly higher in Faerun thanks to healing magic.

5) Life expectancy in the late middle ages and the renaissance wasn't extremely high outside of the Black Death. Given there is no Black Death in Faerun we have to take that into account. And outside of that coupled with healing magic life expectancy should be quite high.

You are literally arguing with Ben Shapiro. He will twist your words, ignore anything resembling a salient point, and continue to insist their world view is the ONLY one that matters, especially since it means excluding people and harming them in significant ways.

They WANT the right to hurt people. That's what you liberals don't get. Conservatives WANT THE RIGHT TO ERASE YOU.

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Noisy Toy King:

Originally posted by Mormacil:

1) It was the norm, it was expected to have same sex relations in your youth before settling into a heterosexual marriage. That is still bisexuality.

2) Faerun is not remotely based on medieval Europe. It's based on medieval folklore but not history itself. In fact I would argue it's not based on that either as the technology of Faerun seems to extend well beyond what we had in the medieval era. It's more renaissance than medieval.

3) Statistically people with gay siblings have more successful offspring, this is one of the main pillars of the argument why homosexuality still exists in humans and was never 'bred out' by evolution. Having homosexual relationships has been seen and measured as beneficial on quite a many occasions. From the gay uncle hypothesis to the Theban Sacred Band and similar bonding rituals found among the Germanic tribes.

4) High infant mortality doesn't lead to people being the biggest asset. People become a valuable asset when they're relatively rare in relation to demand. High infant mortality by itself doesn't increase demand. But infant mortality is related to quality of medicine which is significantly higher in Faerun thanks to healing magic.

5) Life expectancy in the late middle ages and the renaissance wasn't extremely high outside of the Black Death. Given there is no Black Death in Faerun we have to take that into account. And outside of that coupled with healing magic life expectancy should be quite high.

You are literally arguing with Ben Shapiro. He will twist your words, ignore anything resembling a salient point, and continue to insist their world view is the ONLY one that matters, especially since it means excluding people and harming them in significant ways.

They WANT the right to hurt people. That's what you liberals don't get. Conservatives WANT THE RIGHT TO ERASE YOU.

1) I'm here arguing because I want to, who are you to tell me what to do?
2) Who says I'm a liberal?

[Blastadon]

Its official. Made it to the end of this thread and lost brain cells. Everyone beware.

[Krito]

Originally posted by Mormacil:

1+2+3+4+5

1) Who tell you this really? In what history it was ever normal. You may want to think that its true, but in reality it was exemption not a rule. And society never see it as something normal.

2) Yes! Nice one< then remind me in what century this type of relationship became normal?

3) Are you live in reality? Look here we now have a society with exceptionaly good healthcare and they normalized LGBT. Its modern west, sooooo what about nowadays birthrate?

4) I think you dont understand what i mean. In ancient times with mostly manual labor - more people you have - more work they can do, its simple. And More army you can have. So people are the greatest asset of any empire in pre-industrial era.

5) Ok people dont needed, theeeeen why they need slaves in the time of renaissance?

[Krito]

Originally posted by Noisy Toy King:

They WANT the right to hurt people. That's what you liberals don't get. Conservatives WANT THE RIGHT TO ERASE YOU.

Ooooooooh sooo thats why YOU said to me to shut up first thing then you enter this chat)
Now i understand.

[TargetLost]

Owww and I just was happy to meet some classic female+male couples at the beginning of Act III
So you tell me if I continue exploring and listening to the town chatter I will meet the we are all gays in Baldurs gay again?

[Krito]

Originally posted by Mormacil:

Let me explain you this.
Its normal in society and it happens is a different thing.
This is normal relationship in modern west, BUT you yourself tell that its based on renaissance Europe.

So i as was it normal in that times was ♥♥♥♥-marriages normal at that times?
Or maybe this game based not on renaissance world, but more like 2020th Europe?

[Dank Sidious]

Because In reality this is a simulation of what it's like to live in california.

[Krito]

Originally posted by TargetLost:

Owww and I just was happy to meet some classic female+male couples at the beginning of Act III
So you tell me if I continue exploring and listening to the town chatter I will meet the we are all gays in Baldurs gay again?

oh you will meet one more male+female couple inside the city, but there will be much much more than 1 couple in city, that openly tell first-met stranger that they are in some sort of relationship.

[Mormacil]

Originally posted by Krito:

Originally posted by Mormacil:

1+2+3+4+5

1) Who tell you this really? In what history it was ever normal. You may want to think that its true, but in reality it was exemption not a rule. And society never see it as something normal.

2) Yes! Nice one< then remind me in what century this type of relationship became normal?

3) Are you live in reality? Look here we now have a society with exceptionaly good healthcare and they normalized LGBT. Its modern west, sooooo what about nowadays birthrate?

4) I think you dont understand what i mean. In ancient times with mostly manual labor - more people you have - more work they can do, its simple. And More army you can have. So people are the greatest asset of any empire in pre-industrial era.

5) Ok people dont needed, theeeeen why they need slaves in the time of renaissance?

1) Ancient Greek texts tell us this, for Greece at least. But the general answer is writing. You can read this yourself if you mastered the relevant languages.

2) Became? It was normal in most cultures before Abrahamic religions showed up. Given none of thse exist there's no reason to assume their practices changed the norm.

3) Birthrate is primarily linked to two developments, urbanization which changed the need for child labor around the house and education of women. Improved healthcare has a significantly lower impact on birthrate.

Given the modern west has extensive urbanization where space is at a premium and high female education that's a totally sufficient explanation of the birthrate.

4) Nah you missed all the other important parts of the system like feeding said population. More army is useless unless it's trained, equiped, led and fed. None of those are tied to a higher birthrate. You think Alexander the Great won on birthrate and sheer number of bodies? Or the Hussites for that matter. What about William the Conqueror? Sheer number of bodies rarely were a big factor.

5) They didn't *need* slavery but it was profitable. They did significantly benefit from it because of the effects of the Black Death. But those effects don't exist in Faerun so I don't see the relevancy. The Transatlantic slave trade for example largely took place outside of the renaissance and entirely outside of the early renaissance that matches the technology level of Faerun.