Halsin gets himself killed?

[Dagroth]

I freed Halsin from his cell in the goblin camp, but he refused to leave the place.

Well, whatever, I went off to do the remaining side quest (Githyanki creche), and then returned to deal with the goblin leaders.

But, according to my journal "Halsin was defeated" and is now dead (his corpse is there in the prison area, so I guess that's true).

Even if I find early enough save, I don't care to repeat the whole thing just to save him, he had the chance to leave the place, as far as I'm concerned, he was killed because of his own stupidity. :P

Still, no idea how and why did that happen, unless he assumed, that I'm not going to deal with the goblin leaders (maybe he "magically" knew I went into the mountain pass, also leading to the Moonrise Towers?) and tried to do that himself? Well, or maybe patch two bugged something?

[ACS36]

Pay attention to the dialogue when you're talking to him.

[Dagroth]

He asked me to deal with the goblin leaders, and refused to leave the prison, what exactly do you mean?

[IRMcG]

You left him standing in a camp full of goblins to go wandering instead of finishing the quest. That's what happened :) They're eventually going to think "hey, we haven't heard anything from the guys in the pens, go take a look" and swarm the place.

[Dagroth]

Hm. It didn't warn me when I went to the Creche, possibly because the warning was "used up" when I approached the mountain pass earlier, from the other direction.
Druid Grove seems to be fine though, possibly because I resolved Kagha's situation (exposing her as a Shadow Druid). Well, maybe - it's not destroyed, but I don't see the Tiefling NPCs anywhere, will kill the goblin leaders and see what happens.

As for Halsin though? He didn't even care to hide, being a druid that'd be easy, transform into a mouse and crawl into some hole, he only had himself to blame. :P
(or a cat or small bird, if you want to go with the animals game lets the player change into)

Still, I think since we can go to the Creche whenever we want, it shouldn't advance that part, before we actually go towards the Moonrise towers. Will send the feedback to Larian about that.

Apparently Halsin is important for some future quests, so I may look into if I have some early enough save, though. Ugh.

[Carynara]

Yeah, I think you might potentially mess up Act 2 if he's not around. Although the fact that the journal says "he's been defeated" seems to show that the game is able to log this turn of events i.e. it must be a valid path.

[Brady4444]

He's kind of stubborn, for a man wearing leaves.

[Ka-mai19]

Originally posted by Dagroth:

Even if I find early enough save, I don't care to repeat the whole thing just to save him, he had the chance to leave the place, as far as I'm concerned, he was killed because of his own stupidity. :P

What was he supposed to do? Twiddle his thumbs while you went off to do something else entirely for who knows how long?

[Dagroth]

Originally posted by caev79:

What was he supposed to do? Twiddle his thumbs while you went off to do something else entirely for who knows how long?

That's exactly was he was doing, twiddling his thumbs until they found and killed him. Could as well have hid somewhere first (in a shape of a cat or whatever). :P

[Endless Enigma]

Originally posted by Dagroth:

Originally posted by caev79:

What was he supposed to do? Twiddle his thumbs while you went off to do something else entirely for who knows how long?

That's exactly was he was doing, twiddling his thumbs until they found and killed him. Could as well have hid somewhere first (in a shape of a cat or whatever). :P

He literally says "my grove is in trouble I'm not going anywhere until the leaders are dead" you told him you would kill them and then didn't. That was YOUR choice. He isn't a timid civilian, he is the Keeper of his Grove, he is going to fight to protect the grove, even if it's 1vDozens. You're the only one who caused death by stupidity. This is a game about CHOICE and CONSEQUENCE. You want a game where you can spend 200+ hours exploring while the world ending threat looms in the background, go play Skyrim, some of us actually like our choices mattering.

[Henry-NYC]

Originally posted by Dagroth:

I freed Halsin from his cell in the goblin camp, but he refused to leave the place.

Well, whatever, I went off to do the remaining side quest (Githyanki creche), and then returned to deal with the goblin leaders.

This is a scripted kill. The game kills Halsin if you don't get him out of jail the very instant you venture beyond the Mountain Pass. All players are warned by the game and are advised to close all loose ends. Obviously, you didn't know what that meant and decided to proceed without closing ALL loose ends. The game kills Halsin (if he's still in jail) as soon as you click "Yes" to venture forth.

This is not your fault. In your case, Halsin was auto killed by the game.

Lesson learned, next time you are asked to "close all loose ends," make sure you have got Halsin out of jail. Otherwise, click "No" to rescue Halsin.

[The Yeen Queen]

Doesn't going to the Mountain Pass without killing the Goblin leaders advance that plot and they raid the grove without you to stop them? Or is that going into the Shadow Cursed Lands without clearing the leaders? Either way, you DO get a warning when you try to cross into the Mountain Pass for the first time.

ETA: There's a similar hard deadline on the remaining Act 1 and Act 2 quests when you go into the Shadowfell to find the Nightsong in Act 2. Make sure you've done EVERYTHING you want to get done before crossing into there. But there's a waypoint right outside the entrance so you can clear the gauntlet of Shar all the way up to that point then go back and tie up everything else. Then it's take care of the Nightsong ( however you choose to do so ) and raid Moonrise Tower.

[Henry-NYC]

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Doesn't going to the Mountain Pass without killing the Goblin leaders advance that plot and they raid the grove without you to stop them? Or is that going into the Shadow Cursed Lands without clearing the leaders? Either way, you DO get a warning when you try to cross into the Mountain Pass for the first time.

if these are questions, then every answer is "No."

- Venturing beyond the Mountain Pass has nothing to do with the goblin leaders.

- The "raid the grove without you" does not happen unless the player has got this event "scheduled."

- The action "going into the Shadow Cursed Lands" also has nothing to do with the goblin leaders. There will be a consequence, most likely, however. It does not happen immediately. And what this consequence is depends on how the player has handled those leaders and a "special" goblin prior to taking the action of venturing forth into the curse lands.

[Dr.Abscondus]

You don't even need to see or talk to Halsin in the Goblin camp. All you have to do is go there and complete the quest to kill the goblin leaders. I never saw or talked to him and he just showed up in the Grove later. Not completing the quest in one go gets him killed.

[DeMasked]

Some quests you need to deal with asap as you may trigger changes to that quest later on.

Imo I like it when an npc doesn't just sit there waiting for some prompt but will face consequences if the player wanders off for too long.

[The Yeen Queen]

Originally posted by Henry-NYC:

Originally posted by Night Foxx:

Doesn't going to the Mountain Pass without killing the Goblin leaders advance that plot and they raid the grove without you to stop them? Or is that going into the Shadow Cursed Lands without clearing the leaders? Either way, you DO get a warning when you try to cross into the Mountain Pass for the first time.

if these are questions, then every answer is "No."

- Venturing beyond the Mountain Pass has nothing to do with the goblin leaders.

- The "raid the grove without you" does not happen unless the player has got this event "scheduled."

- The action "going into the Shadow Cursed Lands" also has nothing to do with the goblin leaders. There will be a consequence, most likely, however. It does not happen immediately. And what this consequence is depends on how the player has handled those leaders and a "special" goblin prior to taking the action of venturing forth into the curse lands.

I know 100% for an absolute fact that if you progress beyond a certain point the raid will happen, the tieflings die, and Halsin is lost. If you completely ignore the grove and go beyond a certain point then travel back, you'll find the grove sealed. The Tieflings will not show up at Last Light Inn. And Minthara will be in the throne room at Moonrise answering for her failure to find the artifact.