This is kinda inconsistent with lore of forgotten realms. (spoiler)

[sleeper]

So the death 3 are not gods anymore so why does Whither says they are. Also knowing who he is why did he personally intervened he is the most apathetic of them all and another thing there where gods for about 1000 or more years or so do they not know ilithids destroy the souls of their host? Also since when do gods feed on the souls of mortal?

[Zackerie]

he doesn't? There's literally an ending scene where he talks to them. They aren't even demigods anymore by the end of the game. dude is getting his job back from failures using the person they know will get him his job back. they weren't feeding on the souls of mortals. pretty sure they were attempting to deny other gods of souls,

[sleeper]

Originally posted by zackerie:

he doesn't? There's literally an ending scene where he talks to them. They aren't even demigods anymore by the end of the game. dude is getting his job back from failures using the person they know will get him his job back. they weren't feeding on the souls of mortals.

I pretty sure he said they where doing just that. And he calls them gods.

[Ranpo]

They are quasi deities, meaning they aren't as powerful as Selune or Shar but they are still gods, Withers turned 3 mortals into gods, he could turn them back at any time, him resurrecting your Dark Urge character basically meant he overruled Bhaal's dominion.

[AncientsLegacy]

Withers shouldn't be able to take his god status back because Ao rewrote the tablets of fate and locked all the gods into their portfolios.

[sleeper]

Originally posted by Ranpo:

They are quasi deities, meaning they aren't as powerful as Selune or Shar but they are still gods, Withers turned 3 mortals into gods, he could turn them back at any time, him resurrecting your Dark Urge character basically meant he overruled Bhaal's dominion.

there not even as strong as Meiliki or the Red Knight or Malar. Or you know who himself since he never got rid of all his godhood just most of it. Still I like the dead 3 they want to be above everyone and I respect it. To bad they never learned you wanna succeed do it yourself. Unlike the other gods they actually can do so.

[Cyroy]

Originally posted by AncientsLegacy:

Withers shouldn't be able to take his god status back because Ao rewrote the tablets of fate and locked all the gods into their portfolios.

Jergal was acting on behest of Kelemvor, hence the capability to ressurect the Dark Urge. The fact he's working for Kelemvor is clear when you meet him for the first time in the tomb where he monologues his "So he has spoken." bit. He's not taking his godhood back, nor is he a god, he seemingly was granted that power by Kelemvor to fulfill his duties.

[Mizu]

Originally posted by Cyroy:

Originally posted by AncientsLegacy:

Withers shouldn't be able to take his god status back because Ao rewrote the tablets of fate and locked all the gods into their portfolios.

Jergal was acting on behest of Kelemvor, hence the capability to ressurect the Dark Urge. The fact he's working for Kelemvor is clear when you meet him for the first time in the tomb where he monologues his "So he has spoken." bit. He's not taking his godhood back, nor is he a god, he seemingly was granted that power by Kelemvor to fulfill his duties.

Jergal actually is still a god, even if the portfolio he retained is incredibly minor and basically just an excuse for him to hang around acting as an advisor to his successors. He still holds portfolio over 'records of the dead' and writing up a big list of all dead people as part of his job is why he is called a scribe. So far as I can tell what he did was say 'the Dark Urge may be on my list but the new person you have become in your travels isn't on it yet so you aren't supposed to be dead' to excuse himself stepping in. Time will tell how accepting Ao is of this justification.

[sleeper]

what is he gonna do kill him?

[sleeper]

Speaking of is Mystra allowed to intervene so directly as she did in this game?

[Cyroy]

Originally posted by dcalebh:

Originally posted by Cyroy:

Jergal was acting on behest of Kelemvor, hence the capability to ressurect the Dark Urge. The fact he's working for Kelemvor is clear when you meet him for the first time in the tomb where he monologues his "So he has spoken." bit. He's not taking his godhood back, nor is he a god, he seemingly was granted that power by Kelemvor to fulfill his duties.

Jergal actually is still a god, even if the portfolio he retained is incredibly minor and basically just an excuse for him to hang around acting as an advisor to his successors. He still holds portfolio over 'records of the dead' and writing up a big list of all dead people as part of his job is why he is called a scribe. So far as I can tell what he did was say 'the Dark Urge may be on my list but the new person you have become in your travels isn't on it yet so you aren't supposed to be dead' to excuse himself stepping in. Time will tell how accepting Ao is of this justification.

In 5e as far as I can find from sources and wikis he's no longer a god, just a senechal to Kelemvor. Holds no more portfolios or anything.

[Mizu]

Originally posted by Cyroy:

Originally posted by dcalebh:

Jergal actually is still a god, even if the portfolio he retained is incredibly minor and basically just an excuse for him to hang around acting as an advisor to his successors. He still holds portfolio over 'records of the dead' and writing up a big list of all dead people as part of his job is why he is called a scribe. So far as I can tell what he did was say 'the Dark Urge may be on my list but the new person you have become in your travels isn't on it yet so you aren't supposed to be dead' to excuse himself stepping in. Time will tell how accepting Ao is of this justification.

In 5e as far as I can find from sources and wikis he's no longer a god, just a senechal to Kelemvor. Holds no more portfolios or anything.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Jergal

According to this, his 5th edition version is listed as still being an active god whose portfolio is 'records of the dead'.

[Cyroy]

Originally posted by dcalebh:

Originally posted by Cyroy:

In 5e as far as I can find from sources and wikis he's no longer a god, just a senechal to Kelemvor. Holds no more portfolios or anything.

https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Jergal

According to this, his 5th edition version is listed as still being an active god whose portfolio is 'records of the dead'.

Ah you're correct, the records of the dead is listed as his portfolio, I must've overlooked it. He doesn't seem to have a deity ranking though, so it's still possible he's just a quasi-deity or demi-god in his current state.