Some parts of Act 2 really make me want to stop playing the game.

[Martin]

Thisobald Thorm fight.. either.. you start with a high charisma character or you are fighting, if you're fighting it's the same as the stupid gold boss fight.. stupid levels of hps for a lv 6 critter.. these 2 fights are the sole reason I don't want to proceed with this game anymore. The entire idea of all persuasion checks being off 1 stat is mindlessly stupid to begin with.. but dnd is stupid always has been written by the clueless. But Larian has no excuse for this. They developed the game to be like this.. if the guy had 100hp or maybe 150hp it'd be fine.. but one has 288 hp and the other gets levels of stupid hps. The level 12 dragon is easier to fight.

Then top it off the guy is immune to almost all damage.. it's levels of stupid like this that ruin this game.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Kwcten:

if you have a high constitution and you can out drink him and he dies

Actually you can't because it requires chr to tell him stories, if you fail those checks he fights you.

[kevin]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by YippeeKai-Yay:

Lock conversation with toll collector, party member pushes them off the tower when they are by the window, they get stuck because they can't open doors bottom floor after taking 500 damage and you squash the visages

Again, exploiting the game mechanics isn't playing the game. It's cheating.
Talking her into exploding requires chr checks. Avg class makeup doesn't have chr higher than 8-10 so fails are very common.

The only way to defeat the barman for example is to freeze him, this means 3 members of your party are completely useless in that fight, unless you have stocks of cold arrows.

The gold toll thief, again, you can't kill all the visages or even some of them before she starts the conversation, without cheating and exploiting.. i mean seriously, you think you can beat a game because you're cheating then claim you're doing it legit and that it's an easy fight.

These Forums are full of exploiters, cheats and liars.

the fight wasnt that hard and it shouldnt give most people any problems. you should try again

[Tannu]

Originally posted by Underlaw:

I killed every single of boss with adamantine bypass resistences. You can farm xp easy and become lv 12 with 3 atack per turn, and with haste potion, 6 in the same turn... by a normal 12-20 damage per swing, you can do 60- 120 damage without poisons and preparations...so for me all fights was pretty easy, really easy, the only one that brings me some time, was the murder tribunal, cause i killed a npc that was absorbed to the boss, and buffed him to heal 20 hp for each hit...i didant want to reload. Every fight was easy, piece of cake....
I recomend you play Pathfinder, any one, in the Insane difficulty.... your party is lv 2 and you fight enemies with 30 strengh, 40 AC.... its ridicule absurd, but even that with time and knowledge exploits etc, its fun and doable.

correct me if im wrong but adamantine bypassing resistance is only for objects isnt it? it doesnt bypass creatures resistances by my understanding of how its written.

[Consoomer]

I lucked out with the Toll Collector on tactician. Got telekinesis gloves from the githyanki assassin party right before her fight and just threw her into a small hole in between some shadow vines that was marked as "chasm".

[Martin]

Originally posted by kevin:

the fight wasnt that hard and it shouldnt give most people any problems. you should try again

That's my point mate, I shouldn't need to keep reloading a game to beat 1 boss, the entire rest of Act 2 is fun to play.. even the boss fight in the pit of the towers is fun, but those 2 fights are badly designed, requiring very exact and specific class setups that almost noone has. Less than 20% of players progressed to Act 2 and there's a reason for it.

I have some american mates, been playing these games for 20 yrs.. they all gave up for one reason or another by the end of act 1. That's the sign of bad design. People like to hail how great Bg3 is.. but when you get into the nitty gritty of it.. it really isn't. The Hag fight.. the Bar and Toll fights.. Parts of the Goblin Temple.. Grymforge Neres bugs..

I can beat both the barman via the checks or in a fight, my point is, the fights, the design of the fights is stupid. When I tell people this guy is lv 6 and has 300 hps they're shocked and they're dnd fanatics..

[Destast]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by YippeeKai-Yay:

Lock conversation with toll collector, party member pushes them off the tower when they are by the window, they get stuck because they can't open doors bottom floor after taking 500 damage and you squash the visages

Again, exploiting the game mechanics isn't playing the game. It's cheating.
Talking her into exploding requires chr checks. Avg class makeup doesn't have chr higher than 8-10 so fails are very common.

The only way to defeat the barman for example is to freeze him, this means 3 members of your party are completely useless in that fight, unless you have stocks of cold arrows.

The gold toll thief, again, you can't kill all the visages or even some of them before she starts the conversation, without cheating and exploiting.. i mean seriously, you think you can beat a game because you're cheating then claim you're doing it legit and that it's an easy fight.

These Forums are full of exploiters, cheats and liars.

You play the game on 1st run and beat all the bosses and it's easy.. i'd be impressed, but none of you have managed that. All you do is farm youtube for the cheats or you get mods that let you do it. Then you try to convince yourselves you're playing the game legit.

An 'avg group' won't have 8-10 CHA, wtf you on about? I have almost reached end of Act 3 while intentionally avoiding spoilers until this point specifically BECAUSE I don't want to see how others do it, these games are more fun when you explore yourself.

It baffles me what you do and don't consider 'cheating'? Is it savescumming? (Which most people do for the tiniest of rolls, I choose to only reload when and if I wipe but eh). Is it using the environmental damage option (pushing enemies off ledges and letting gravity do its thing?) Is it simply playing bard, sorcerer, warlock or paladin? (Since all those not only rely on CHA for spellcasting, they also have options to buff their charisma checks to boot) Is it using stuff like Guidance on every check?

I really don't get why you're hung up on the term 'cheating'. Unless someone blatantly exploits a bug (like if they find an infinite exp bug and get lvl 12 in act 1 or something) or they get access to console commands to just remove/instakill entities then everything else is pretty much using game mechanics to, well, beat the game. You seem to be coming from a 'I need to be able to 100% clear every encounter with a stack of 4 fighters or the game is bad' perspective which is unhealthy if you do want to enjoy the game.

If something is giving you trouble, think on the why. There are always solutions, do a fight's mechanics, use a different approach to tactics, go do another sidequest to strengthen up, check your gear for different combos you might have missed etc etc. As an utter last ditch solution you could even completely change your character's (or any character's) class and stats for that single fight.

[kevin]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by kevin:

the design of the fights is stupid.

yeah they're poorly designed, made more for players who like puzzles(ends up as trial+error) or play with a guide. there arent great tells for bar man's elemental mechanics.

[x_equals_speed]

My first playthrough I got unlucky on the skill checks and did the fight, second time I skipped it, actually fighting it was a while ago now but I don't remember it being a difficult one. Is it one of those ones that gets much easier when you read the tooltips on the enemy abilities to find out how they work? Or is there some fairly obvious approach like scattering your group to avoid AoEs? I do remember him having some sort of resistance that meant I had to assign one character to fighting the adds because they couldn't hurt him effectively, but being able to work around resistances is fairly normal.

[Mokkun]

Originally posted by Martin:

The only way to defeat the barman for example is to freeze him, this means 3 members of your party are completely useless in that fight, unless you have stocks of cold arrows.

If you think that any boss in this game can only be beaten by doing X, you have utterly misunderstood how this game is designed.
I literally just beat the crap out of him until he drank himself into a stupor, and then killed him. His elemental magic mechanic hurts, but it doesn't one shot you, and you can mitigate the damage (and control the type).

I didn't even realize until reading things much later that I could kill him in the conversation by getting him to drink himself to death. Why would I? He's A) undead, B) hands you a clearly poisonous drink that I had no idea that I would have the option to only pretend to drink.

[Valefar]

Originally posted by YippeeKai-Yay:

You play the game on 1st run and beat all the bosses and it's easy.. i'd be impressed, but none of you have managed that. All you do is farm youtube for the cheats or you get mods that let you do it. Then you try to convince yourselves you're playing the game legit.

Honestly speaking, mate, I know that you probably hear this a lot, but: get good.

Almost every single one of the boss fights have some mechanics which make them more bearable or just plainly easy. Yes, Toll Collector can be very hard, if you’re not using your brain, which seems to be the problem by the way... Same with Thisobald. You just need to think about it, yes, perhaps try multiple times... But it’s doable. I’m on my first playthrough and I’m clearing all the bosses I can, including optional ones, with very little help and very small amount of cheese (I cleared one boss with my stack of powder barrels which I pre-arranged before the fight started).

Another thing. Using the game to your advantage smartly is not cheating. It’s called cheesing at worst. Pushing characters to the void (beyond the playable map border) is a legitimate tactic and more than once game encourages you do to it.

[RubADuck]

2 Full Playthroughs here. First with Dark Urge. 2. fully on tactitian mode. This game is as easy as you wanna make it. You just need to THINK. I made all speech checks because there are literally 2-3 ways you can make speech checks with ease: Friends cantrip, Resistance cantrip, Guidiance cantrip. Imagine your use support spells..
Combat wise you use the most busted builds to the point an enemy BOSS can't even make a turn the whole combat long or just push them off cliffs for the lolz.

And none of the above is cheating. Cheating is when you use something that is not native to the game world.

Please stop making these threads as it only shows how little you put thoughts into this game and your whole thought process for bait.

[HughMann]

I'm playing this in a co-op, I went north my partner went south. He found both those fights as a Barbarian/Monk he has -1 CHA bonus and intimidated/talked both to self terminate. Sure he had Shadowheart use guidance, and probable some inspiration rerolls, but the game has MANY different skill checks other then CHA.

[Martin]

Originally posted by Destast:

these games are more fun when you explore yourself.

It baffles me what you do and don't consider 'cheating'?

1 Is it savescumming?

2 Is it using the environmental damage option (pushing enemies off ledges and letting gravity do its thing?)
3 Is it simply playing bard, sorcerer, warlock or paladin? (Since all those not only rely on CHA for spellcasting, they also have options to buff their charisma checks to boot)
4 Is it using stuff like Guidance on every check?

I really don't get why you're hung up on the term 'cheating'.
5 Unless someone blatantly exploits a bug.

6 If something is giving you trouble, think on the why.

1 Is if you don't need to. Isn't if you wipe, because you have no choice.. you have to reload. I generally use savescumming to repeat fights to see the different ways they can be done.
2 I wouldn't say so.
3 Warlock class I don't really like, it isn't until they have 18-20 chr that they ever seem to hit anything, also either there's a bug with chr at the traders or some specific thing, but having high chr doesn't actually reduce prices or increase profits.. Sorc I've only just started looking into, Paladins, are kind meh really imo. So having a high Chr class is highly unlikely.. High Str.. High Dex.. High Int or High Wis.. definitely.. high Chr.. unlikely.
4 Guidance only offers 1-4 it's kinda useless really. There's better bonus skill checks.
5 Obviously.
6 I agree. I've beaten the game 4 times now I think. I have done every quest in Act 1 and 2, still nailing down some in Act 3.

Btw.. only 10% have beaten the game. 90% are either still trying.. or they've quit the game. Bg3 the greatest game ever.. maybe not. Maybe after patch 50.. the way they're going now, they add more bugs to the game when patching than they remove.

[Punished Jeremy]

Originally posted by zenebatos1:

Ignores fights mechanics
Complains about it being bad design.

Classic

Will never not be a classic

[SoundsOfNight]

Skill issue.