Why didn’t Helm save the duke? Ketheric Thorm was right.

[Shampoo]

Why worship the “good” gods if they don’t do anything at the time of your greatest need?

The duke is like his most important follower and is about to be corrupted by evil so he called Helm out, and then there was nothing…

Ketheric thorm was right, for all the things that people denounce the “evil” gods for, at least they do something, and “give back” instead of “take take take”.

The “evil” god actually did what no one else could do for Ketheric, and then bothered enough to “save” him when he needed saving. (I know, to think that a god will save someone? That’s unheard of!)

Probably when the times are good, Helm be like, you know the duke? This dude follows me, yeah.

But when he actually needs him, Helm be like, I don’t know this dude.

This game should allows us to worship the evil gods instead.

Also every class should be able to worship a god (or no god), just because you are a fighter, ranger, druid, bard, etc. doesn’t mean you can’t worship a god.

Also there should be a option to worship the Absolute, Vlaakith, Silvanus and other deities like Zariel, etc.

[Calculus]

Wasn't there an option to be a cleric of vlaakith as a geth?

Anyway, as in one dialogues where you ask almost exactly the same question about Mystra, it's stated that gods don't directly interfere because it almost always end up in another big disaster.

[Sir Seanicus, Esq.]

Imagine calling Silvanus evil lol

[cl656]

I don't think the Gods are allowed to interfere directly. The Dead three are Quasi deities and aren't subject to the rules apparently. Which is why Jergal is around.

[NixAhmose]

Originally posted by Calculus:

Wasn't there an option to be a cleric of vlaakith as a geth?

Anyway, as in one dialogues where you ask almost exactly the same question about Mystra, it's stated that gods don't directly interfere because it almost always end up in another big disaster.

Case in point, doing what Mystra tells you to do in Act 2 essentially causes the end of world. It’s almost as if fate itself is preordained to make sure any interaction or plan made by the gods horribly backfires on them.

[I'm A Distraction!]

I still don't understand how a man that can afford to build a massive underground Shar temple AND a giant stone keep, did not have the 500 gold around to pay for a Raise Dead spell.

[Mizu]

My understanding is that the rules of the setting limit how gods can interact with the world. If a god wants to do something big their followers have to do crazy rituals and junk to give them an opening to act, they can't just snap their fingers and do whatever they want or else the supreme god Ao will come down on them with the wrath of super god for breaking the rules. Ketheric has spent a long time performing foul and profane rituals that let Myrkul get away with blessing him with the super necromancer powers and the ability to transform into the 'avatar of Myrkul'.

[I'm A Distraction!]

Originally posted by NixAhmose:

Originally posted by Calculus:

Wasn't there an option to be a cleric of vlaakith as a geth?

Anyway, as in one dialogues where you ask almost exactly the same question about Mystra, it's stated that gods don't directly interfere because it almost always end up in another big disaster.

Case in point, doing what Mystra tells you to do in Act 2 essentially causes the end of world. It’s almost as if fate itself is preordained to make sure any interaction or plan made by the gods horribly backfires on them.

It essentially happens anyway in Act 3, so....

[Harukage]

First of all there is the thing called Fate. You can't bring some people back because it is not their Fate.
Like Alfira in the DU playthrough. She was destined to die and join her gods divine realm at that point of time. Period.
Also Ketheric Thorm abandoned both Seluna and Shar. Absolute is not a god at all, And Myrkul is just a worthless qasi-god at this point. Ketheric Thorm is just about as Faithless as he can be.

[fox]

Originally posted by Shampoo:

Why worship the “good” gods if they don’t do anything at the time of your greatest need?

aka the most cliche trope for villains to become villains

[Mizu]

Originally posted by I'm A Distraction!:

I still don't understand how a man that can afford to build a massive underground Shar temple AND a giant stone keep, did not have the 500 gold around to pay for a Raise Dead spell.

The logical assumption is that whatever killed her left her in a state that made raise dead not an option. Maybe they weren't found until longer then 10 days after death, for example. Or they had their head destroyed by whatever killed them and therefore weren't a valid target because raise dead can't restore missing body parts and automatically fails if the corpse is missing something vital to survival. In which case he would have needed the 9th level spell true resurrection to bring her back, which is much harder to come by.

[I'm A Distraction!]

Originally posted by dcalebh:

Originally posted by I'm A Distraction!:

I still don't understand how a man that can afford to build a massive underground Shar temple AND a giant stone keep, did not have the 500 gold around to pay for a Raise Dead spell.

The logical assumption is that whatever killed her left her in a state that made raise dead not an option. Maybe they weren't found until longer then 10 days after death, for example. Or they had their head destroyed by whatever killed them and therefore weren't a valid target because raise dead can't restore missing body parts and automatically fails if the corpse is missing something vital to survival. In which case he would have needed the 9th level spell true resurrection to bring her back, which is much harder to come by.

While true, he also had a demigod right next to him that would, presumably, be able to find a 17th level cleric.

[Shampoo]

You can call Myrkul all kinds of names as much as you want, but at least he actually did something while Selune and Shar was like, I don’t know this man.

[GeminiEclipse]

Because the gods aren't there to solve all problems just because you worship them.

[Shampoo]

I think worshipping gods is a “give and take” relationship.

Dude builds giant statues honoring the god, get other people to worship the god, fight other people who are worshipping another god that is known to stand against your god, do other things to make everyone know how great your god is, etc…

The one time the dude actually needs the god to do something for them, the “good” god refuses, the “evil” god opens their wallet for the dude.

Basically all the “good” god does is “take”, and the “evil” god “takes but also gives back”. I think I will worship the evil gods instead.

[Harukage]

Helm is also the most upright and by the book lawfull neutrla god you can get. He will not just give you help if there is no point in giving it.
I mean we are talking about a god who killed Mystra and had caused a lot of bad things, just because Ao had put him on the watch to not let any gods ascend back from mortal realm during the Time of Troubles.