"Daisy" vs Guardian [SPOILER]

[SilentFall]

Do you like that change? I think the emperor left some plotholes and wasnt that interesting. Given that certain character is the one protecting us and you can swallow tadpoles a la asian cuisine with no consequences he might as well not exist. His betrayal made no sense too.

"Daisy", on the other hand, was supposed to lure us by providing comfort and you had to fight that or surrender yourself. There were actual consequences as the datamining revealed.
Having a premature game-over was an interesting idea and if you start imagining how the scene would ve looked liked + The power/ Down by the river playing on the background... Dunno, i would prefer dealing with that character than the emperor

[Zygfryd]

I didn't want to spoil myself years in advance so I never played the EA... didn't expect such a switcheroo.

Or was Daisy not in EA but even earlier?

[victorvnv]

Originally posted by GinzoXI:

Do you like that change? I think the emperor left some plotholes and wasnt that interesting. Given that certain character is the one protecting us and you can swallow tadpoles a la asian cuisine with no consequences he might as well not exist. His betrayal made no sense too.

"Daisy", on the other hand, was supposed to lure us by providing comfort and you had to fight that or surrender yourself. There were actual consequences as the datamining revealed.
Having a premature game-over was an interesting idea and if you start imagining how the scene would ve looked liked + The power/ Down by the river playing on the background... Dunno, i would prefer dealing with that character than the emperor

Who is daisy ?

[Action Man]

I didn't play EA, but from what I understand, Daisy was way too easy of a giveaway to who it really was.

If your character selected a background, and a prominent person in that background became someone who speaks to you, that would be more interesting from the character standpoint. The player has the meta knowledge of course, but it's better than a complete stranger suddenly talking to us in our mind right after we get infected by a tadpole.

[Woldy]

I didn't really like him, i knew from the start i couldn't trust the dreamer, and when i met the true emperor it just confirmed it. Hes too pushy when it comes to his manipulations which doesent help his cause ultimately.

[The Vaultdweller 13]

It would be better to write "Guardian" and not "Emperor".

For my part, the emperor seems to me a very well written character, but wasted in the end. I would have liked to see some real betrayal from him, and not just an abrupt "I join the brain" if you help Orpheus.

It is clear that he sees you as a puppet and manipulates you throughout the campaign but really if you help him he does nothing more than kill the brain. It's a strange ending for him.

[SilentFall]

Originally posted by The Vaultdweller 13:

It would be better to write "Guardian" and not "Emperor".

For my part, the emperor seems to me a very well written character, but wasted in the end. I would have liked to see some real betrayal from him, and not just an abrupt "I join the brain" if you help Orpheus.

It is clear that he sees you as a puppet and manipulates you throughout the campaign but really if you help him he does nothing more than kill the brain. It's a strange ending for him.

That ♥♥♥♥♥ could ve gotten the freedom he desired with the help of orpheus. Everyone happy

[goodbye_bonito]

I liked Emperor idea at start, but unfortunately it appeared to be shallow and not explored enough to become interesting or to even matter. There is no guarantee that "Daisy" wouldn't became as bad experience as Emperor tho, so hard to say which I wold love more. Both concepts could work, neither did in the end

[dexter]

The emperor can betray you? In the ending I got, I sided with him and killed the brain

[Action Man]

Originally posted by dexter:

The emperor can betray you? In the ending I got, I sided with him and killed the brain

If you free Orpheus, he leaves and joins the brain. You have to fight him in the final battle.

[Zygfryd]

Originally posted by GinzoXI:

That ♥♥♥♥♥ could ve gotten the freedom he desired with the help of orpheus. Everyone happy

I doubt Orpheus would have tolerated his continued existence.

But he could have fought us then and there, or asked us to drop him off outside Baldur's Gate and the Absolute's range of mind control.

I don't understand what becoming a thrall of the Absolute was supposed to get him.

[victorvnv]

They only put the emperor there so they have another gay character, of course the great Balduran , the founder of Baldur’s Gayte has to be gay /bi lol.

[Zygfryd]

Originally posted by victorvnv:

They only put the emperor there so they have another gay character, of course the great Balduran , the founder of Baldur’s Gayte has to be gay /bi lol.

Yeah that was completely unnecessary information and felt like messaging, not storytelling.

[The Vaultdweller 13]

Originally posted by GinzoXI:

Originally posted by The Vaultdweller 13:

It would be better to write "Guardian" and not "Emperor".

For my part, the emperor seems to me a very well written character, but wasted in the end. I would have liked to see some real betrayal from him, and not just an abrupt "I join the brain" if you help Orpheus.

It is clear that he sees you as a puppet and manipulates you throughout the campaign but really if you help him he does nothing more than kill the brain. It's a strange ending for him.

That ♥♥♥♥♥ could ve gotten the freedom he desired with the help of orpheus. Everyone happy

I think that he actually acts sensibly there. Orpheus would kill him, because he knows that Emperor is an evil and manipulative mind flayer, like everyone else, no matter how good he pretends to be. The problem I think is the rushed narration, and, above all, that if you help the emperor you really don't see any "great master plan".

[CloudKira]

Daisy was better IMO.

It also provided the content for potential consequences of using tadpole powers.

With the Emperor the door for such content is rather closed since the guy does not want to corrupt you like Daisy.

Daisy being either the Absolute or your dark self manifested via your tadpole offered many more possibilities.

It could also offer a better evil ending if pursued.

[General Nuclear]

I have a couple of grudges against the emperor.

For once he made us waste time on a second customizable character, Which is already one of the most heinous acts you can commit against the players.

Second he lies non-stop to us.

Third he insults our base form, As if we didn't just beat the crap out of four ravagely angry mindflayers back at ketheric thorm's place, Not to forget himself if we chooses to no believe him about our death being bound to his at first.

Fourth he talks down to us when ever we asks him question he don't like.

And fifth his death is bound to ours so we can't even teach him some manners.