act3 Wyll (spoilers) what choice did you make?

[Fistimus Maximus]

The reaction to wyll breaking his pact seems out of character, Eternal servitude...when he dies unlike others who go to whatever heavens their patron resides wyll;s will be in hell. Anyone else found it strange considering as a example how karlach shouts cant let wyll be taken then disproves.

[Fistimus Maximus]

What is strange if you accept everyone thinks he made the right choice, writing seems wrong here, Also wyll's father is infected and its been established that mindflayers have no soul so essentially its better for you to die as your patron/god would take your soul as a petitioner (when you die you are judged and sent to your gods realm).

[[unassigned]]

Wyll's father banished his son for making a deal last time.
His father is supposed to be this deeply honour bound being of pure virtue

Why would he be cool with you making a deal this time just to save himself?

I honestly thought this was one of the easiest most obvious choices in the game. I totally assumed if i rezed his dad, the dad would be disgusted at Wyll for repeating his shameful behaviour.

[Zygfryd]

I valued Wyll's soul over Ravengard's life. It's not a good deal otherwise. And then I saved Ravengard's life anyway...

In contrast, I valued Shadowheart's parents' lives over her discomfort, I was taken aback that she herself didn't.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Originally posted by Zygfryd:

I valued Wyll's soul over Ravengard's life. It's not a good deal otherwise. And then I saved Ravengard's life anyway...

In contrast, I valued Shadowheart's parents' lives over her discomfort, I was taken aback that she herself didn't.

I think you can mind read Mizora and its implied he will die just when she wants it.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Originally posted by unassigned:

Wyll's father banished his son for making a deal last time.
His father is supposed to be this deeply honour bound being of pure virtue

Why would he be cool with you making a deal this time just to save himself?

I honestly thought this was one of the easiest most obvious choices in the game. I totally assumed if i rezed his dad, the dad would be disgusted at Wyll for repeating his shameful behaviour.

its not a deal, for me it was due to run out in 6 weeks this was a new contract.
His dad was unware because the contract forbade it the context of why he made the pact, if you break the deal and save him you can explain it all to him.

[Zygfryd]

Originally posted by Fistimus Maximus:

I think you can mind read Mizora and its implied he will die just when she wants it.

She wanted it that time too... she's not as effective as she wants to appear.
And I have on good authority that the Blade of Avernus is coming after her first.
That said... I don't know how much faith I can put in Wyll's fencing skills.

[[unassigned]]

Originally posted by Fistimus Maximus:

its not a deal, for me it was due to run out in 6 weeks this was a new contract.
His dad was unware because the contract forbade it the context of why he made the pact, if you break the deal and save him you can explain it all to him.

fair point. i still stand by the choice since the game makes a big deal out never signing a contract with a devil. And the 6 months left provide plenty of opportunity for torture of Wyll

[Fistimus Maximus]

Originally posted by Zygfryd:

Originally posted by Fistimus Maximus:

I think you can mind read Mizora and its implied he will die just when she wants it.

She wanted it that time too... she's not as effective as she wants to appear.
And I have on good authority that the Blade of Avernus is coming after her first.
That said... I don't know how much faith I can put in Wyll's fencing skills.

could be interesting dlc, But with the sisters witnessing the deal it would be enforced as mizora is just a proxy for Zariel.

[General Nuclear]

Honestly this seems like a job for a paladin or cleric of tyr the deity of blind justice,
We made the deal about wyll getting freed from his contract, not wyll, that nullifies his involvement in this deal, making it a new entirely different deal.

However tyr have been acting super strange in this game, first was that devil disguised as a paladin who gained divine smithe directly from him,
That alone is a oath break from tyr himself, since he is not allowed to give out that ability to devils working under the hells command. Helm would have his ass for that.

Second is all those absolute cultists who have guardian of faith, A spell which is locked to clerics who serve a good aligned deity, And the absolute is as we all know no deity, and does not have divine powers, nor is it good aligned.

[Fistimus Maximus]

Originally posted by General Nuclear:

Honestly this seems like a job for a paladin or cleric of tyr the deity of blind justice,
We made the deal about wyll getting freed from his contract, not wyll, that nullifies his involvement in this deal, making it a new entirely different deal.

However tyr have been acting super strange in this game, first was that devil disguised as a paladin who gained divine smithe directly from him,
That alone is a oath break from tyr himself, since he is not allowed to give out that ability to devils working under the hells command. Helm would have his ass for that.

Second is all those absolute cultists who have guardian of faith, A spell which is locked to clerics who serve a good aligned deity, And the absolute is as we all know no deity, and does not have divine powers, nor is it good aligned.

I think thats just down to limited spells/not included, You could argue they are using lesser magic to simulate said spells, With Wyll I believe like you mentioned and some other companion dialogue options you should let wyll make up his own mind. That said I also think the contract for his father's life wouldnt even be valid, same issue with descent into avernus you dont have control other someone elses life so no contract like this would be valid. Wyll wouldnt have any say other his fathers life one way or another. writers lack of understanding about what powers/control devils have. Same with karlach, she couldnt have been sold by gortash unless she had signed her soul/autonomy other to him. Taking souls unwillingly without contract is something a demon would do not a devil, they are bound my laws to only take souls who are willing or made a contract.

[Dad0ne]

I broke wyll's pact because 1) ♥♥♥♥ his """father""" 2) i wanted to restore his human look... but i guess that wasn't part of the deal lol.

[Mizu]

I chose to break the pact on the assumption that Duke Ravengard probably wasn't an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who would rather live a few more years on the material plane if it meant his son was damned for eternity (also, I had every intent of trying to screw Mizora by saving Ravengard without her help anyway). And if he was that kind of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ then he wasn't worth Wyll sacrificing his eternal soul to grant those scant extra years of life anyway.

End result was that I saved him and Mizora was reduced to saying 'well I will still totally kill his ass later at some point'. By which point I am left thinking 'everyone dies eventually so "I'll kill him eventually" really isn't that much of a threat'.

[Lavian]

Honestly, I'm annoyed that I had to choose for Wyll, but I chose not to take the deal (because binding your soul to a devil just to keep your dad alive seems like a solution that nobody but the devil is happy with), and then just save his father anyway.

I would've rather had a, "I can't make this decision for you. You decide." type option (like you can during the major decision in Shadowheart's quest), but nope, not an option.

[Ratch]

I like the Blade of Avernus path only because it secures a happier ending for my girl Karlach. You can still mend things with the Duke when going this route, too. It's perfect.

[Shyba]

I kept the Pact because A) it felt in character for Wyll to make the pact to save what he cares about (he did it the first time after all) and B) from my OWN perspective the pact has been NOTHING but beneficial to him (other then his dad being an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥)

prior to Karlach he only hunted EVIL things (or at least as far as he knew they were always evil) and if you hadn't been there he STILL would have thought it was ONLY evil things. Mizora was perfectly content lettting him be a 100% good hero as long as he occasionally kills evil beings that Zariel wants dead. wanting OUT of the pact he had was stupid... wanting maybe a better contract (maybe add in a stipulation they MUST be evil not loopholes like KArlach?) would have been a better call on his part...

sure he'd eventually have his soul taken. but think of all the good he could do before that point?? if it wasn't for his dad i don't think he'd even have given a ♥♥♥♥ about selling his soul. hell he's FINE with it once they reconcile.