Is it just me or the combat system is too boring?

[Kshahdoo]

There are too few helpful spells and other abilities so it's usually just melee or ranged attacks and nothing more. Way fewer tactical options compared to, say, Pathfinder or BG2.

[MonkeyLungs]

There will be some people that agree with you but I'm not one of them.

[Rex is back, baby!]

It's not just you, but it's a significant minority of people like you.

I disagree with the tactical viability. There's plenty of it. Heck you can REALLY use the environment to turn the tide of a battle.

The issue is, even with Tactician, the game is incredibly easy, especially after level 5, so it makes combat boring, in a sense ;V.

If you're bored, impose challenges on your self.

[Blitz4]

Originally posted by Kshahdoo:

There are too few helpful spells and other abilities so it's usually just melee or ranged attacks and nothing more. Way fewer tactical options compared to, say, Pathfinder or BG2.

i don't know about pathfinder, but i'm with you in this.

2e had some very OP builds. 3.5e had some very OP builds. Pathfinder has some very OP builds. 5e has one OP build that I know of (Paladin).

Maybe try that.

You want some fun? Try NWN with a druid that transforms into a small dragon.

[Teddy]

Pathfinder, as much as I loved that game praising it for tactical choices above bg 3 seems a tad far fetched. When I spent 5min before every battle spamming buffs.

[Kshahdoo]

Originally posted by Rex:

It's not just you, but it's a significant minority of people like you.

I disagree with the tactical viability. There's plenty of it. Heck you can REALLY use the environment to turn the tide of a battle.

The issue is, even with Tactician, the game is incredibly easy, especially after level 5, so it makes combat boring, in a sense ;V.

If you're bored, impose challenges on your self.

Yeah, I know, I know: shoving enemies to chasm (what about loot though?), throwing corpses into enemies (is this really how the combat should look like?), beating the ♥♥♥♥ out of enemies with chests and crates. But I mean actual combat abilities not gimmicks.

[Kshahdoo]

Originally posted by Teddy:

Pathfinder, as much as I loved that game praising it for tactical choices above bg 3 seems a tad far fetched. When I spent 5min before every battle spamming buffs.

Then you probably was doing it wrong. I prefered turn-based combat and rarely was bored with it. There were so many different ways to beat enemies depending on your party configuration. And even with the same party members different people chose absolutely different ways to win. Some prefered control, others used debuffs, and you could always use straightforward way of nuking everybody and everything with swords and magic.

The variety isn't that great in BG3.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Teddy:

Pathfinder, as much as I loved that game praising it for tactical choices above bg 3 seems a tad far fetched. When I spent 5min before every battle spamming buffs.

Most annoying part of the game, for sure, specially at higher difficulties, where you don't really have a choice, you have to do it to even be able to land hits.

Then combat starts and, for the most part, it was the usual MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS INSTAKILL.

The fighter in BG5, which used to be considered the most boring class in D&D, has more actions and interactions than most/all classes in those games.

Great stories, great RPG, terrible system.

[DeMasked]

Eventually my monk will achieve greatness by throwing or bashing an enemy to death with my 2 dead squirrels.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by DeMasked:

Eventually my monk will achieve greatness by throwing or bashing an enemy to death with my 2 dead squirrels.

I'll challenge your dual squirrel monk with my halfing throwing barbarian.

[Rex is back, baby!]

Originally posted by Kshahdoo:

Originally posted by Rex:

It's not just you, but it's a significant minority of people like you.

I disagree with the tactical viability. There's plenty of it. Heck you can REALLY use the environment to turn the tide of a battle.

The issue is, even with Tactician, the game is incredibly easy, especially after level 5, so it makes combat boring, in a sense ;V.

If you're bored, impose challenges on your self.

Yeah, I know, I know: shoving enemies to chasm (what about loot though?), throwing corpses into enemies (is this really how the combat should look like?), beating the ♥♥♥♥ out of enemies with chests and crates. But I mean actual combat abilities not gimmicks.

This game awards creativity.
Pay attention to your environment.

Water? Bad for fire. Great for electricity.
Oil? Light it up.

There's LOTS of utility. LOTS of spells, potions, poisons, elixirs, grenades, arrows.

What exactly are you asking?
Cloud of dagger on an entry watly and watching 20+ rats run into it is fun.

Oh, someone put a big cloud of poison around you? Gust of wind.

Heck, the Owlbear bodyslam.is a fun strategy for druids. It uses gravity.

[DeMasked]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by DeMasked:

Eventually my monk will achieve greatness by throwing or bashing an enemy to death with my 2 dead squirrels.

I'll challenge your dual squirrel monk with my halfing throwing barbarian.

I already get thrown around as a gnome by my half orc barbarian in multiplayer.
I have the highest amount of jump distance in the team which is rather amusing - hoping to get something to boost my str for even more distance.

[Kshahdoo]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Teddy:

Pathfinder, as much as I loved that game praising it for tactical choices above bg 3 seems a tad far fetched. When I spent 5min before every battle spamming buffs.

Most annoying part of the game, for sure, specially at higher difficulties, where you don't really have a choice, you have to do it to even be able to land hits.

Then combat starts and, for the most part, it was the usual MISS MISS MISS MISS MISS INSTAKILL.

The fighter in BG5, which used to be considered the most boring class in D&D, has more actions and interactions than most/all classes in those games.

Great stories, great RPG, terrible system.

At least you felt yourself a hero, real military hero in a tough war not some clown in a circus show, though.

I mean hardcore tactical games are usually considered very complicated by casual public.

[Bahrman74]

I can not disagree more. There are tons of useful and fun spells. Wall of fire, then when the enemies walk through it to get you, thunderwave em back into it. Toss in a spike growth to really make em hurt or a grease to make more fire they have to walk through.

Hold spells, hypno pattern and similar spells let you put people in timeout while you kill their friends.

Summon spells for reinforcements/ damage sponges.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Bahrman74:

I can not disagree more. There are tons of useful and fun spells. Wall of fire, then when the enemies walk through it to get you, thunderwave em back into it. Toss in a spike growth to really make em hurt or a grease to make more fire they have to walk through.

Hold spells, hypno pattern and similar spells let you put people in timeout while you kill their friends.

Summon spells for reinforcements/ damage sponges.

Knockback + spike growth is pretty lulzy too. Great with eldritch blasts.

[Kshahdoo]

Originally posted by Bahrman74:

I can not disagree more. There are tons of useful and fun spells. Wall of fire, then when the enemies walk through it to get you, thunderwave em back into it. Toss in a spike growth to really make em hurt or a grease to make more fire they have to walk through.

Hold spells, hypno pattern and similar spells let you put people in timeout while you kill their friends.

Summon spells for reinforcements/ damage sponges.

How many of those spells you can use before going to long rest though?