Why would I ever pay an Oathbreaker?

[Goddamn Purple Cucumber]

In what world does it make sense that I fail two rolls, then I can only Kill a party member, or become an oathbreaker?

Also Why in the hell would I pay this weird edgy freak anything, you show up to my camp, call me a monster then demand money to redeem myself???

WHO EVEN ARE YOU?

Does anyone know if I can kill this guy? I've tried throwing him in chasms, shoving him, or even old fashion smackin, but either my party gets mad, or the game stops me.

I know this is something I could "fix" by save scumming, but I'm trying to roleplay, not do the most edge filled tone deaf run I could fathom.

It just annoys me, and I want to ask, if I can just boot this guy somehow and get my oath back? I'm not going to pay, edgy mc"original charactor donnut steel" 1000 gold.

I don't care if I have to do dumb bs, just I refuse to work with this guy.


TLDR: Can you kill Oathbreaker Knight, and get your oath back any other way?

[ProestUnicorn]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Origineel geplaatst door Blood of Kerensky:

Then don't deceive people as Devotion Paladin. Lying is a big no no. Regardless of intent. If you want to use any means necessary, Oathbreaker or Vengeance fits more.

Yeah fair enough.

I guess I'll just restart from the beginning for the stream and do a Vengeance Paladin.

My main idea was "Good, before Lawful"

Basically figured it wouldn't bite me in the rear, but I didn't realize how literal it meant. I played a Devotion Paladin for my last 5e campaign, and just wanted to play out my guy. Outside of that I'll try Vengance, though it seems kinda weird for a paladin oath, more like a judge Dredd type, but I'm probably backward.

There is no such thing as ''good before lawful'' as Paladin, they are all about following their rules, which can be evil or good, but always lawful - as You are following tennants and keeping to their ''law'''.

Read what Your oath is about and follow it. For some paladins saving Sazza from prison would be a good deed, but for vengance it would break their oath of punishing evil even for the cost of doing lesser wrong sometimes. Every oath is diffrent and forces You to follow its tennants if You don't want to become oathbreaker. Paladins aren't lawful stupid or goody-two shoes by default. Paladins follow oaths. Think of them as sworn knights rather than always-good clerics in a plate with twohander. Choose an oath that suits You roleplay most and follow it.

[ArchaicReaper]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Origineel geplaatst door ArchaicReaper:

Devs confirmed that Oathbreaker specifically cannot respec until they restore their Oath. Oaths are serious as you can't so easily avoid the consequence of breaking them.

Also Oathbreaker Knights is clearly not evil if you listen to his story. You could assume he's lying but then why would he let you even restore your Oath if he wanted evil?

I get he tells you everything about how youre an evil monster, and how your selfish and cruel and blah blah blah, but the flaming undead telling me how cool being evil is, just made me think he probably isnt there to be a good sunshine and redemption.

And I'm not trying to be snippy with you there it's just a really odd choice to have him be the "Okay you gotta give me money to be a good little boy again"

I'll admit I only saw one interaction with the guy but he literally says he broke his Oath, making him the first Oathbreaker, because he killed his lord for being corrupt and evil. He outright says that while the Oathbreaker powers are dark they can be used for good and that it's up to you to decide how to use them.

[DontMisunderstand]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Origineel geplaatst door DontMisunderstand:

Failing rolls does not make you an oathbreaker. Doing things that break your oath makes you an oathbreaker. There is always an option to not break your oath. You chose to break it, instead.

Why not just embrace the oathbreaker subclass? It kicks ass. It's a role playing game, get into your role and really just be that character. Do what they would do. Think like they would think. Speak like they would speak. RPGs aren't meant to be "won", they're meant to be experienced through the eyes of another; through the role you set out to play.

Look I don't care about winning anything, I don't care about any of that.

I think it's dumb, to pay some weird undead dude, thats painfully evil, 1000 gold to "regain my oath"

I just want to play my old oath.

He's not "painfully evil'. Nor are other oathbreakers. At least not inherently. They're just not lawful, that's what makes them oathbreakers.

If you wanted to play your old oath, you wouldn't have broken your old oath. Food for thought.

[Goddamn Purple Cucumber]

Origineel geplaatst door VoiD:

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Look I don't care about winning anything, I don't care about any of that.

I think it's dumb, to pay some weird undead dude, thats painfully evil, 1000 gold to "regain my oath"

I just want to play my old oath.

Sounds like you never heard anything he had to say.

He murdered civilians over and over all in the name of his liege, then became an oathbreaker by killing his lord.

Now he's cursed to do whatever the hell you'd call this.

He did horrible things, wasn't punished, did something right, and was.

So he turned his back on the light.

Now he trys to make others be oathbreakers, etc etc.

Cool, tragedy, neat. Was betrayed by his own oath because paladin stuff is dumb.

I get it, sure. Tragedy doesn't make everything you did and do right.

The undead fire man telling me to embrace hate, and shadow, and darkness isnt a good guy.

Sure sad, still a bad dude.

[Drakzen]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Origineel geplaatst door DontMisunderstand:

Failing rolls does not make you an oathbreaker. Doing things that break your oath makes you an oathbreaker. There is always an option to not break your oath. You chose to break it, instead.

Why not just embrace the oathbreaker subclass? It kicks ass. It's a role playing game, get into your role and really just be that character. Do what they would do. Think like they would think. Speak like they would speak. RPGs aren't meant to be "won", they're meant to be experienced through the eyes of another; through the role you set out to play.

Look I don't care about winning anything, I don't care about any of that.

I think it's dumb, to pay some weird undead dude, thats painfully evil, 1000 gold to "regain my oath"

I just want to play my old oath.

This is basically how you would regain your good alignments in D&D alot though. In BG 1 and 2 you could just......give the temple money and BAM good guy again then go back to murderin towns folk. Just pay the fine and move on, you are basically complaining that you broke the law and have to pay a fine to someone you don't like.

[Goddamn Purple Cucumber]

Origineel geplaatst door ProestUnicorn:

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Yeah fair enough.

I guess I'll just restart from the beginning for the stream and do a Vengeance Paladin.

My main idea was "Good, before Lawful"

Basically figured it wouldn't bite me in the rear, but I didn't realize how literal it meant. I played a Devotion Paladin for my last 5e campaign, and just wanted to play out my guy. Outside of that I'll try Vengance, though it seems kinda weird for a paladin oath, more like a judge Dredd type, but I'm probably backward.

There is no such thing as ''good before lawful'' as Paladin, they are all about following their rules, which can be evil or good, but always lawful - as You are following tennants and keeping to their ''law'''.

Read what Your oath is about and follow it. For some paladins saving Sazza from prison would be a good deed, but for vengance it would break their oath of punishing evil even for the cost of doing lesser wrong sometimes. Every oath is diffrent and forces You to follow its tennants if You don't want to become oathbreaker. Paladins aren't lawful stupid or goody-two shoes by default. Paladins follow oaths. Think of them as sworn knights rather than always-good clerics in a plate with twohander. Choose an oath that suits You roleplay most and follow it.

You know what, that makes sense. It just feels off to me. Like these arent good guys, or honorable, or anything. They just are fighters that have over the top rules that make them toothless.

If that is how the Dnd paladins are supposed to be then I think I'll just play something else.

I appreciate you helping me understand.

[Goddamn Purple Cucumber]

I guess in my head Oathbreaker = Anti-Paladin, which back when I was in highschool playing were just these over the top evil cowards.

I understand I've got the wrong mindset on these things.

I appreciate everyone who explained that, even if I didn't get what you mean in the moment.

[ALilTeapot89]

Every murder hobo paladin ever: "What do you mean I broke my oath?! It says Vengeance right there! I'm getting Vengeance on the world for shunning me cuz I like anime and Magic the Gathering and Rebecca won't go to the dance with me!"

[Cacomistle]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Origineel geplaatst door Blood of Kerensky:

ikr. Oathbreaker is dope.
I don't think OP ever played a TTRPG if they are not understanding the concept of their oath as a responsibility.

been playing two decades.

I do not care if oathbreaker is the coolest funnest class ever. I don't want to play it.

I literally stopped someone from being killed, by rolling deception, which was a big no no.

Oops, my bad, I saved someone from people literally trying to kill her for being ugly.

Sounds like an oathbreaker thing. You had an oath, you broke it, and oaths are not based on the greater good, they're a strict black and white rule that doesn't account for reality. In fact, the oathbreaker paladin's story of how he broke his oath is, well he did something worse than just lying but he probably saved a lot of people. But, I guess working towards the greater good in a non black and white way still leaves you with what seems to be dark powers as the only option.

So you're gonna have to do something outside of the normal game rules.

Idk what mods there, but you could try that. Not having to deal with paladin oaths seems like something someone else would have wanted, so it might exist.

And other than that, have you tried respec?

If neither of those work out for you, well then you can either pay the oathbreaker paladin or accept that your oath has been broken. Or reload before you broke it.

You also might be able to pay him, then steal the money back. I'm a bit doubtful of that though since I assume once you pay him, he leaves.

[ShANk117]

Origineel geplaatst door STDRandom Lead:

classic example of wanting to play own way instead of the dnd way. Game not for you op.

I thought the whole point of DnD was to play your way. What's with the cringe gate keeping? Little weird.

[DontMisunderstand]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

Origineel geplaatst door Blood of Kerensky:

ikr. Oathbreaker is dope.
I don't think OP ever played a TTRPG if they are not understanding the concept of their oath as a responsibility.

been playing two decades.

I do not care if oathbreaker is the coolest funnest class ever. I don't want to play it.

I literally stopped someone from being killed, by rolling deception, which was a big no no.

Oops, my bad, I saved someone from people literally trying to kill her for being ugly.

Githyanki are a canonical race of murder hobos who kill people solely for not being githyanki. They're also one of the most dangerous groups in the multiverse. They're not going to kill her for being ugly, they're going to kill her so that their civilization might survive another day.

[zastcat]

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

I guess in my head Oathbreaker = Anti-Paladin, which back when I was in highschool playing were just these over the top evil cowards.

I understand I've got the wrong mindset on these things.

I appreciate everyone who explained that, even if I didn't get what you mean in the moment.

5e oathbreaker is kind of an extension from anti-paladin but where anti-paladin was *trying* to be the "villain class" 5e oathbreaker is still catering to the everybody wants to play a hero crowd by giving them an anti-hero

it's basically the good through questionable means and despite being judged for it option, a bit of self made controversy like they tried to do with aasimars being hated for being "too perfect" except in this case it's more "I realized the people I was supporting were corrupt and exploitative and the only way to stop them was rolling my armor in black paint and sticking skulls on my sword"

and the oathbreaker is kind of the big example for that in baldur's gate 3, he "did evil things" because he blindly followed his oaths thinking it was for the greater good, when he realized it wasn't he lost everything because (like with you trying to save everybody) the oath ended up being more important to him being a paladin than the good he would do was

his spiel isn't "I'm going out to make more oathbreakers because bwuahahaha evil and corruption and I'm cursed to do this forever", it's "look kid, oaths can lead to being forced to do some messed up stuff, pay and I'll give you an atonement spell and you can play the odds or there's this fun option where you can still do good without having your hands tied by an oath, or you can be evil if you really want I've got no room to judge"

[Locklave]

Origineel geplaatst door Divolg:

Have you tried never breaking your oath?

Are you suggesting becoming an Oathbreaker and breaking your oath are related in some complex way the OP overlooked?

Madness, he had to murder people for reasons.

[Nyaria]

Doesn't help the Oathbreaker mechanically sucks

[zastcat]

Origineel geplaatst door DontMisunderstand:

Origineel geplaatst door ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Purple Cucumber:

been playing two decades.

I do not care if oathbreaker is the coolest funnest class ever. I don't want to play it.

I literally stopped someone from being killed, by rolling deception, which was a big no no.

Oops, my bad, I saved someone from people literally trying to kill her for being ugly.

Githyanki are a canonical race of murder hobos who kill people solely for not being githyanki. They're also one of the most dangerous groups in the multiverse. They're not going to kill her for being ugly, they're going to kill her so that their civilization might survive another day.

aye, she's basically the equivalent of running into somebody from a group well known for being genocidal maniacs who casually commit war crimes, sure you can take the chance but if you misjudge the result is getting strafed by red dragons simply because you were alive and not vital to their fight against mindflayers

and even the "but that's stereotyping, you can't lump her in with the rest" defense doesn't really come into play when she's actively telling you to kill them all and get her out as you're negotiating her freedom and by this point has already actively advocated for leaving people to die because helping will slow you down