Wild Shape Seem Weak

[Mister Sir]

I been playing a druid on my main character, went for circle of the moon but the more I play that char, the more I realize how much more useful every other character is. Astarion is huge rogue damage dealer, Karlach and Lezael are great and versatile, you get the point. Many of the classes seem just very powerful and I would argue that even other druid subclasses are probably fine.

Here we got circle of the moon though, while I am still lower level in it, just 4, and I am well aware that later on there be owlbear form and other forms if you don't multiclass, how you can attack 3 times a turn, as well as extra hp bar basically when you shapeshift, the issue comes in how little pairs with it.

I can think of several multiclass possibilities for most of the classes, yet hardly anything worth with wild shape druid. Unarmed attacks don't work so can forget the monk passives, magic don't work, action surge don't work, even unarmored defense somehow is really bad with it, You just get your animal stuff and buff cast on you and that is it, nothing really more interesting can you do outside barbarian rage before shapeshift. Worst of all is that half the time I don't even shapeshift cause I wanna save it for harder encounters, in which I then spend half the combat running my bear ass around, trying to get to targets. It got so bad that half through one of the boss fights I just shifted back and became an archer, a bad one at that but better than no cardio bear.

[Naamtar]

Dat leap tho

https://streamable.com/cz7uvj

[Fast]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

I been playing a druid on my main character, went for circle of the moon but the more I play that char, the more I realize how much more useful every other character is. Astarion is huge rogue damage dealer, Karlach and Lezael are great and versatile, you get the point. Many of the classes seem just very powerful and I would argue that even other druid subclasses are probably fine.

Here we got circle of the moon though, while I am still lower level in it, just 4, and I am well aware that later on there be owlbear form and other forms if you don't multiclass, how you can attack 3 times a turn, as well as extra hp bar basically when you shapeshift, the issue comes in how little pairs with it.

I can think of several multiclass possibilities for most of the classes, yet hardly anything worth with wild shape druid. Unarmed attacks don't work so can forget the monk passives, magic don't work, action surge don't work, even unarmored defense somehow is really bad with it, You just get your animal stuff and buff cast on you and that is it, nothing really more interesting can you do outside barbarian rage before shapeshift. Worst of all is that half the time I don't even shapeshift cause I wanna save it for harder encounters, in which I then spend half the combat running my bear ass around, trying to get to targets. It got so bad that half through one of the boss fights I just shifted back and became an archer, a bad one at that but better than no cardio bear.

Druid is categorically the most garbage class in the game by a margin...no one thinks this class is good.... It is not multiclass friendly, its a wisdom class (ooofff not as bad as intel but the next worst thing in BG3), it does literally nothing as good as any other class, it has bad item choices, wild shapes are limited to wild shape stats, which are really bad btw. And the spell list is kinda poor.

Just play another class unless you are RP.

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Dat leap tho

https://streamable.com/cz7uvj

Yeah, I am aware of the funky ways to break the game, not something I am interested in though.

So am I missing something? Is there some secret way to make wild shape not suck so much? Cause upon release moon circle druid was hailed like top tier class, but I am literally more successful with any other class. Like what is this bear even? Hitting for like 10 dmg? When I can hit higher with my staff, while barb and fighters just destroy everything with like 15-20 dmg hits.

[Mister Sir]

Originally posted by Fast:

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

I been playing a druid on my main character, went for circle of the moon but the more I play that char, the more I realize how much more useful every other character is. Astarion is huge rogue damage dealer, Karlach and Lezael are great and versatile, you get the point. Many of the classes seem just very powerful and I would argue that even other druid subclasses are probably fine.

Here we got circle of the moon though, while I am still lower level in it, just 4, and I am well aware that later on there be owlbear form and other forms if you don't multiclass, how you can attack 3 times a turn, as well as extra hp bar basically when you shapeshift, the issue comes in how little pairs with it.

I can think of several multiclass possibilities for most of the classes, yet hardly anything worth with wild shape druid. Unarmed attacks don't work so can forget the monk passives, magic don't work, action surge don't work, even unarmored defense somehow is really bad with it, You just get your animal stuff and buff cast on you and that is it, nothing really more interesting can you do outside barbarian rage before shapeshift. Worst of all is that half the time I don't even shapeshift cause I wanna save it for harder encounters, in which I then spend half the combat running my bear ass around, trying to get to targets. It got so bad that half through one of the boss fights I just shifted back and became an archer, a bad one at that but better than no cardio bear.

Druid is categorically the most garbage class in the game by a margin...no one thinks this class is good.... It is not multiclass friendly, its a wisdom class (ooofff not as bad as intel but the next worst thing in BG3), it does literally nothing as good as any other class, it has bad item choices, wild shapes are limited to wild shape stats, which are really bad btw. And the spell list is kinda poor.

Just play another class unless you are RP.

Huh so I am not crazy after all, and it does feels poopy. I would suck having to swap mid act 1 into something else, even would feel weird. I wonder about going circle of the spores instead maybe.

[LadyAhiru]

Its weird cause in real DnD Druis is one of the best classes, but the wildshape here doesnt work, for example Druid Circles that lets you cast in Wildshape etc or shape into better "Beast"

[Naamtar]

Originally posted by Mister Sir:

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Dat leap tho

https://streamable.com/cz7uvj

Yeah, I am aware of the funky ways to break the game, not something I am interested in though.

So am I missing something? Is there some secret way to make wild shape not suck so much? Cause upon release moon circle druid was hailed like top tier class, but I am literally more successful with any other class. Like what is this bear even? Hitting for like 10 dmg? When I can hit higher with my staff, while barb and fighters just destroy everything with like 15-20 dmg hits.

Owl bear is definitely the big power spike for Druids and they are largely underwhelming before that.

Dealing with Wild Shape, specifically because it has charges, is cumbersome and they should really make it so you automatically shift back to normal form if you need to enter dialogue, then shift back without use of a charge after dialogue.

I haven't messed with a Circle of the Moon druid that has gotten far enough to unlock Sabre-toothed Tiger, but looking through the Wiki it seems like Druids don't really see another power spike until Level 10.

https://bg3.wiki/wiki/Druid

[magattatou]

I could only ever play a druid if I could also shapechange into different kinds of dinosaurs. There's nothing quite like being able to maul down enemies as a flying T-Rex.

[Hobocop]

Nah, druids are fine. They have some of the best battlefield control spells in the game mixed with solid utility and can wear medium armor + shields out of the box. Wild Shape provides a good amount of versatility for both exploration and combat.

[Lamp]

I highly recommend spore druid. It's just like a regular druid but with an extra little layer of mushroomy goodness. Nice bonuses like having speak to animals and detect thoughts as bonus ritual spells that don't take a slot.

And yeah found most wild shapes to be underwhelming compared to the natural forms of those using them. Panther was okay, never got to the elementals.

[Midas]

If you're only using wild form then yeah, not really pulling your weight. Druids can be doing a ton of useful things in addition to that. Even as a moon druid my druid usually only goes into wild shape if i need the utility of a specific form, or I'm out of spell slots, or I want the extra melee muscle at that specific moment. Rest of the time he's buffing, healing, summoning, and calling down lighting strikes.

And the fact that one character can do all of that is why druid is amazing.

[Creomortis]

Originally posted by Naamtar:

Dat leap tho

https://streamable.com/cz7uvj

lmao, thats amazing

[Seswatha]

Druids aren't really multiclass friendly. Well, maybe Spore Druid is in some cases. For Moon Druid, take at least 10 levels, then maybe 2 fighter if you really want action surge but 2 more moon druid is also ok and potentially better for myrmidon summon. Wizard 1-2 is also viable and improves your spell list with some nice extras.

Druids are generally good at CC, summoning and tanking. Not the highest damage, but lots of sources of it and good sustain.

At low levels the best for you is to use spider wildshape for free webs till everything is not going anywhere and you can also throw out and concentrate on a moonbeam or a spike growth before you change.

I think the main thing that hurts moon druids at mid levels is that primal strike is still bugged, so you'll be dealing with frequent resistances. Elementals don't have this issue from level 10 tho.

And you always have the owlbear jump strat.

[Moffin Bovin]

wildshape is all temp hp, so they make good frontline characters for soaking damage.
wildshape is also very useful out of combat.

They are kind of like clerics with healing but with more offensive spells.

Druids do a lot of things. they just aren't super specialised at any one of those things.

i like 'em ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[#12]

The tavern brawler feat works in wild shape and makes your damage way higher on the high STR animals. You can also cast summon spells and the summon will hang around after you shape shift. You dont even need to wild shape every fight you are still a full caster with lots of good spells.

[WeirdWizardDave]

Druid doesn't multiclass well but it is a fantastic class on its own. But they are best played as a utility/support class. They won't be the biggest damage dealer but they can dish it out when they need to in owl bear form, they also have great combat spells, fantastic utility spells and healing spells which are always useful.

Also wild shape isn't just interesting for its combat uses, cat form is the ultimate scout mode (everyone ignores the cat) and can be used to lure folks out with the meow for special attention... Raven form means you can fly about to reach places you would otherwise need to cast a spell to get to.

I love playing a druid, its a great RP class and a very strong class mechanically.