Armor bonuses not working...(character info page inaccurate)

[Sephiroth]

(The character information pages are apparently not accurately showing the bonuses of some items in the game).

I am equipping a Leather armor +2 for the
(+1) to stealth checks and the
(+1) to both dex saving throws and dex skill checks.

These bonuses are not appearing on my character sheet after I equip the item.

In addition after this I am now looking at other items and noticing some more items do not work...
seems like only HALF the items I have actually give you the bonus they are supposed to.


How was this game released if basic things like this do not work? This is really basic mechanical problems with the game.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by dustin1280:

The OP is the same person that thinks wizards and sorcerers are the weakest class in the game and that there are no powerful items in this game...

He simply doesn't understand these game mechanics at all and has proven that numerous times...

I am 100% positive this is just another case of him not understand the mechanics...

That's why im trying to "lead them to water" so to speak, by explaining how to actually check these things. And hey, maybe they are right and there is a minor issue like a bonus not correctly applying. It's not impossible, but I see it as unlikely.

So the bug is that it is not showing up in the character information pages. Other items I have actually do show the bonuses on the page but some other items like this Leather Armor +2 do not show it.

So that should be fixed. Its also looking like I am only getting a +1 to stealth instead of a +2. If you read below here you will see why I think it should be giving a total of +2 to stealth.

But in battle it is actually giving me a bonus of +1 to stealth (stealthy).

I notice the Leather Armor +2 says it gives a bonus to dex saving throws and skill checks which made me think its supposed to give me another stealth +1 because stealth is under dex and it is a skill.

If we look at Remarkable Athletic Proficiency it is giving me a bonus to stealth checks as well which states its adding to dexterity checks. So if Remarkable Athletic Proficiency gives me a stealth bonus for dex checks then that makes me at the very least assume that the leather armor +2 should give me a bonus to stealth checks because it also gives me a bonus to Dex checks just like the Remarkable Athletic Proficiency.

[Sephiroth]

To clarify its a BLUE Leather Armor +2 that has Stealthy(+1 to stealth) and Balance (+1 to Dex saving throws and skill checks) on it.

Bought from Entharl Danthelon

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by Calv:

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

The item I am equipping (Leather Armor +2) has as you can see by post bonuses to both stealth checks directly and also bonuses to the saving throws and the skill checks of Dexterity.

Where else is there to look besides pressing "I" and clicking on Skills page and the Detailed page.

None of those bonuses are being applied. I put them on... take them off... nothing changes.

The skills page doesn't show any item bonuses. Could be a bug, could be by design, I can see the argument both ways there.
But the bonuses are definitely being applied.
I just tested with the armour I'm wearing, it has +1 to Stealthy and when I'm hiding and make a stealth check, I can hover over the combat and log and see the +1 being added in.

I don't have the same armour to test directly, but I have a Cloak of Protection that adds +1 to all Saving Throws. And when I hover over the Saving Throw Bonus stats in the Detailed View page I can see it has added +1 to them all.

Other items I equip do in fact show the bonuses when I put them on.

When I put on this shield it properly adds the stealth bonus when I put it on and also properly takes it away when I remove the shield.

[dustin1280]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

To clarify its a BLUE Leather Armor +2 that has Stealthy(+1 to stealth) and Balance (+1 to Dex saving throws and skill checks) on it.

Bought from Entharl Danthelon

You are reading it wrong...
Balance:
Gain a +1 bonus on Dexterity Saving Throws and Checks...

Checks is NOT skill checks, it's referring to "ability checks" in this case specifically a Dexterity Checks...

So if you have to make a STRAIGHT DEX CHECK (no skills) then the bonus would apply.

The tooltip also explains this if you look at the tooltip and highlight "checks."

There are three types of checks in this game:
Saving Throws: These checks are done in response to spells being cast against you (or traps in some cases)

Skill Checks: These are exactly what you think they are

Ability Checks: These are STRAIGHT checks based on your ability scores alone and nothing else. They rarely if ever come up (even more so in BG3)

A Skill check is basically an ability check+skill modifier. But having a bonus to ability checks =/= bonus to all skill checks.

The piece of gear in question you are referring to (balance) gives a bonus to ABILITY CHECKS not skill checks.

[Calv]

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

Originally posted by Calv:

The skills page doesn't show any item bonuses. Could be a bug, could be by design, I can see the argument both ways there.
But the bonuses are definitely being applied.
I just tested with the armour I'm wearing, it has +1 to Stealthy and when I'm hiding and make a stealth check, I can hover over the combat and log and see the +1 being added in.

I don't have the same armour to test directly, but I have a Cloak of Protection that adds +1 to all Saving Throws. And when I hover over the Saving Throw Bonus stats in the Detailed View page I can see it has added +1 to them all.

Other items I equip do in fact show the bonuses when I put them on.

When I put on this shield it properly adds the stealth bonus when I put it on and also properly takes it away when I remove the shield.

Interesting.

The armour I had that gives stealth bonus doesn't reflect in the skills page either.

Didn't check any other items, could be just the Stealthy trait on armour that isn't updating the UI correctly.

[Sephiroth]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Originally posted by Sephiroth:

To clarify its a BLUE Leather Armor +2 that has Stealthy(+1 to stealth) and Balance (+1 to Dex saving throws and skill checks) on it.

Bought from Entharl Danthelon

You are reading it wrong...
Balance:
Gain a +1 bonus on Dexterity Saving Throws and Checks...

Checks is NOT skill checks, it's referring to "ability checks" in this case specifically a Dexterity Checks...

So if you have to make a STRAIGHT DEX CHECK (no skills) then the bonus would apply.

The tooltip also explains this if you look at the tooltip and highlight "checks."

There are three types of checks in this game:
Saving Throws: These checks are done in response to spells being cast against you (or traps in some cases)

Skill Checks: These are exactly what you think they are

Ability Checks: These are STRAIGHT checks based on your ability scores alone and nothing else. They rarely if ever come up (even more so in BG3)

The piece of gear in question you are referring to (balance) gives a bonus to ABILITY CHECKS not skill checks.

Thanks Dustin for pointing that out.

Ok so at the end of this discussion I see it should provide a +1 to stealth not a +2.

Thus the only bug that needs to be fixed is simply updating the Character Page to reflect it.

Thanks again to everyone and have a nice day.