Hold Person spell needs to be taken out of the game.

[Clumsybeast]

This is the most broken ability i have ever seen in a game ever in my life. I literally cannot think of a more broken ability in a video game. Please just take it out. Its cheap, its skilless, and beyond broken.

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by Ichthyic:

Originally posted by Єноти🦝:

Why are they alive after 3 turns? This spell is not to disable enemy for X amount of turns, it's to melt it down into a bloody mess very quickly, hence why it rerolls each turn and has high chance of break.

no, it literally IS to take out an enemy so you can concentrate on others. jesus, did you guys never actually play DnD?

Not in game, they way whole thing is implemented. If knowing that you have 100% crit chance or seeing how enemy executes Hold Person strategy is not a good enough cues about how you are supposed to use it, then I don't know what else can help you.

I play dnd for more than 20 years, so probably played it before you was born.

[Sir Sparhawk]

Originally posted by Clumsyninja:

Originally posted by Critisism Is Not Abuse:

It has literally never lost me more than a single turn.

Originally posted by Critisism Is Not Abuse:

ALL your characters on hold? Specifically which fight is that?

It happened to me with the Witch, and it is happening again to me against Gith, in a celler under a building.

Who are you running with and what class is your main character?

[Ranix]

you know shadowheart can cast silence right

[Rainy Skies]

Originally posted by Clumsyninja:

This is the most broken ability i have ever seen in a game ever in my life. I literally cannot think of a more broken ability in a video game. Please just take it out. Its cheap, its skilless, and beyond broken.

Shoulda seen when hold person got multiple targets (up to 4), didn't require concentration and was much harder to resist, and being physically attacked in this state allowed the attacker to instant kill you, all in a 2nd level spell.
This IS the baby version of the Hold Person spell and I personally don't see it worth the spell slot. Sleep on the other hand...

[Morte-360]

It's been in dnd for donkey years so no chance it get's removed. I don't get what the big issue is it's essentially a paralyse state that can be broken, another thing that's been in games for ages. Even the original Pokemon had a version of paralyse. It's not like BG3 doesn't give you a big toolbox to deal with stuff either.

Feels like a lot of anger over something as simple as a paralyse. It's the same as someone getting angry at losing to charm, blindness, silence poison, confusion etc and wanting that removed.

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by Ichthyic:

Originally posted by Єноти🦝:

Why are they alive after 3 turns? This spell is not to disable enemy for X amount of turns, it's to melt it down into a bloody mess very quickly, hence why it rerolls each turn and has high chance of break.

no, it literally IS to take out an enemy so you can concentrate on others. jesus, did you guys never actually play DnD?

If possible hideous laughter is pretty much superior for that for one target, or Hypnotic Pattern or sleep for many targets. Usually hold person isn't really the best if you aren't getting the free crits

[Teddy]

Originally posted by GamerTechChubTV:

Just break the caster's concentration, GG EZ.

/thread

[Kevin Ryan]

Originally posted by Єноти🦝:

Originally posted by Ichthyic:

no, it literally IS to take out an enemy so you can concentrate on others. jesus, did you guys never actually play DnD?

Not in game, they way whole thing is implemented. If knowing that you have 100% crit chance or seeing how enemy executes Hold Person strategy is not a good enough cues about how you are supposed to use it, then I don't know what else can help you.

I play dnd for more than 20 years, so probably played it before you was born.

Or you can use Hold Person for all the things both of you described and both of you are having a really silly debate about the "right" way to use it.

/shrug

[DragonSoundxSG]

Break concentration, how is that hard?

[Recjawjind]

Hold person / monster, like the other "hard CC" spells should be nerfed in duration to match them, 2 full rounds at most.

They are turbobroken, not because of how they work (though tbf they are FANTASTIC spells in pnp 5e too), but because of the itemization. ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, high 20s to low 30s spellsave DCs making them stick for basically the entire duration, always, + martials that can pump hundreds of damage per turn = yep, it's overtuned.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

Break concentration, how is that hard?

It's not about the enemies using hold person, its about *you* using hold person. Its way too good of a spell.

[Sephiroth]

No. You are not forced to use it and it would only make other players like me angry if they removed it.

Ya while we at it lets nerf swords, armor, shields... lets take away everything and make this game UN FUN. LOL

[Sephiroth]

Hold Person/Hold Monster is much more powerful in previous DnD games. If anything they should make it better.

[Ultraviper]

I failed the battle against raphael several times. dude is like untouchable with the soul pillars still alive, I get like 8% chance to hit, and while I take the time to bring the pillars down he gets super stronk. but then I realized that shadowheart had a little spell I had been ignoring called hold monster that not only kept him from acting but turned every attack against him to a guaranteed crit. so yeah its pretty broken but I'm ok with that!

[Mildly Nuclear]

That's DnD baybeee