Avoid Mol & the Tiefling Hideout in the Grove (LARIAN MAY HAVE FIXED IT RECENTLY)

[T3HFish]

The bug with Mol and the tiefling children in the Grove during Act 1 has set back a 3-player run pretty far, resulted in Halsin getting killed and ruining the 1st of the 'romance arc' chance you get with the party.

I have not found a work-around to this issue, save scumming or 'modding' breaks the session and takes way too long... Larian's known about this bug for years and it wasn't fixed in the first patch. Didn't have the quest (My Belongings?) related to Mol but going to kill the harpies and finding the dead kid (who's name I can't remember) does nothing to fix Mol, she just talks to you like nothing happened. When you get caught by one of the tiefling warriors, they only permit a Deception check or Attacking them if you've completed the attack on the Goblin Camp/Return Halsin, I can't even send myself to jail and NOTHING seems to unbug this flag.

We're just gonna avoid Mol and the tiefling hide-out in the Grove so we don't lose all our damn progress for this soft-reset on our run but like seriously? It's a game breaking issue and pretty severe one from what I could learn about it.

[victorvnv]

I had a different bug with her where I went to the hideout and talked to her , she told me to go away and I asked what will happen if I don’t then she just started spamming “Kids, scatter!” Non stop.

And even if I went back few days later I wouldn’t be able to talk to her as she would just stand there yelling “kids , scatter”

[A]

Didn't even know there was a game breaking bug on the hideout. I saved the kid from the harpies as well as Arabella--for some reason i guess i was lucky i didn't rest since I believe resting will let the harpies kill the beach kid. Since I was going for a ranger/thief along with the background (i forget), i told mol i was cool with their ♥♥♥♥.

And in Act 2: Mol actually ends up vouching for me with these decisions/results.

[Empukris]

No workaround? What are you talking about? People had been posting about this previously many times. It is the pickpocket girl beside another guy selling fake ring is what break Mol for most people. One of the dumbest way to resolve is to just go to jail but afaik Mol will still stuck at this even after you help the boy at the beach and little girl from Kagha. I submit a ticket for this and Larian seems like do aware of the issue.

Easy workaround is to only talk to Mol after you save the kid at the beach and little girl from Kagha. Dont do the other 2 event.

[Lur Nen Rue]

if you for some reason piss mol, just dont resolve her quest speaking to mol, if you trigger the dialog that she will tell other, congratulations this playthrough is burned. Avoid her and then save the groove, you wont get the steal quest but mol wont hurt your act 3

[That One Guy]

Originally posted by Empukris:

No workaround? What are you talking about? People had been posting about this previously many times. It is the pickpocket girl beside another guy selling fake ring is what break Mol for most people. One of the dumbest way to resolve is to just go to jail but afaik Mol will still stuck at this even after you help the boy at the beach and little girl from Kagha. I submit a ticket for this and Larian seems like do aware of the issue.

Easy workaround is to only talk to Mol after you save the kid at the beach and little girl from Kagha. Dont do the other 2 event.

Not an easy "workaround" to just not do something that I did 10 hours ago in the playthrough.

Glad they're aware of this bug though. I think the best way for me will be to savescum D20 Deception checks with all the guards.

[HoneyDrake]

Kids are bugged. You need to defend them and support them at any given time or you risk game breaking bugs around them and their interactions.

[That One Guy]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

Kids are bugged. You need to defend them and support them at any given time or you risk game breaking bugs around them and their interactions.

Wait... so kids in general are broken? 'll just avoid them then I guess, lol

[T3HFish]

Originally posted by Empukris:

No workaround? What are you talking about? People had been posting about this previously many times. It is the pickpocket girl beside another guy selling fake ring is what break Mol for most people. One of the dumbest way to resolve is to just go to jail but afaik Mol will still stuck at this even after you help the boy at the beach and little girl from Kagha. I submit a ticket for this and Larian seems like do aware of the issue.

Easy workaround is to only talk to Mol after you save the kid at the beach and little girl from Kagha. Dont do the other 2 event.

There is no work around. The bug triggered during when we entered the hideout (all 3 of us). However, one of the other players (Call them A) spoke to Mol, I nor the other player (Call them B) ever saw her but suspect we broke the flag when and for some reason (maybe because I was the host?), It associated the flag with my character so whenever I walked within range of the tiefling guards in the grove, I would get arrested. Any of us talking to Mol did nothing as we couldn't trigger the quest, as she was acting as if we had already placated her (but I kept getting arrested to the point literally could not access areas of the Grove.)

We went off to do the Goblin Keep and get Halsin back, forgetting about the annoyance cause as long as I didn't wander the Grove, my friends didn't trip the hostility. Guess what? I get arrested again only THIS time and onwards, I can only attempt a DC 20 Deception check or attack, no going to jail. My character is the only one triggering this. Got lucky and passed the check (I only have a +1) so I am forced to either navigate into the Grove via the elevator or just wait outside so I don't trip either guard. Mol still responds as if we already placated her.

Move to the party at camp. Things seem fine, maybe we escaped the stupid bug. I go talk to Astarion while A and B are wandering around talking to companions to see who they can lay. I decide to go talk to Karlach and GUESS WHO is sitting behind her a couple feet away? One of the damn tiefling guards so I get arrested without any option for jail. Can't pass the Deception check after spending 5-10 min reloading, much to all of our annoyance so fight breaks out...WITH THE ENTIRE CAMP.

Reload. I just go hang out with Shadowheart while my friends are getting their hookups sorted then we long rest. I GET ARRESTED AGAIN!! Because of the forced cutscenes, it completely cancels out any triggered romance scenes for my friends and we immediately fight Halsin and Zevlor. Zevlor bodies Wyll twice and Lae'zel before we knock him out and, unfortunately, Player A crit hits Halsin and kills him despite being in "non-lethal" (we read since both were only temporarily hostile, knocking them out might help us get past this nonsense).

Reload for the upteenth time, back at the Grove. We go looking for the kissing child despite not having the quest... No dice, Mol has completely broken us so have to reload ALL the way back to when we first get to the Grove cause after some digging, there is plenty of reports that this big persists into Act 2 and Act 3.

So if there is an "easy" work around, it didn't work or I got an extreme version of this bug and I know I am not the only one.

[PhaZ 90771]

Has anyone from Larian said anything on getting this Mol bug fixed or at least how to play through Mol related content without breaking your playthrough?

I went into their hideout and Mol threatened me and then disappeared. There are a couple kid NPCs that are uninteractable, and I need a DC20 deception check to get past the guards now. My character has a -1 modifier, so no dice on save scumming to get past this.

I'm just going to stop playing this game until the bug is fixed...

[MrDecembrist]

Saved the beach kid, let the other one steal the amulet, saved Arabella and Mol is pissed with me stopping the pickpocketing girl. Tried to change the appearance, did not help, she is still pissed off. I am able to talk my way out, but she does not give me the quest of stealing the Idol

[octaveafterdark]

So Mol was frozen shouting Kids Scatter over and over endlessly- i found the hideout early before helping any of the kids. I wasn't able to start a dialog with her anymore. After the journal said to go talk with her (after helping all the kids and going to the beach etc) this is what I did:

Cast cure wounds on Mol
Threw a spiked bulb at Mol
Used a scroll of magic missle on her
Tried to throw her
Threw a flying potion at Mol- she flew around a bit
Shoved attacked her
Hit her with a shovel (improvised melee weapon)
Tried to hit her with my main hand weapon and missed
Shove attacked her again
Was finally able to interact and talk with her!!
Got the quest for stealing the idol
She's still shouting "kids scatter" but also is still interactable to talk with
Also now am able to use the hole exit from the hideout!
Weird way to get past this bug but it worked for me...

[That One Guy]

Originally posted by octaveafterdark:

So Mol was frozen shouting Kids Scatter over and over endlessly- i found the hideout early before helping any of the kids. I wasn't able to start a dialog with her anymore. After the journal said to go talk with her (after helping all the kids and going to the beach etc) this is what I did:

Cast cure wounds on Mol
Threw a spiked bulb at Mol
Used a scroll of magic missle on her
Tried to throw her
Threw a flying potion at Mol- she flew around a bit
Shoved attacked her
Hit her with a shovel (improvised melee weapon)
Tried to hit her with my main hand weapon and missed
Shove attacked her again
Was finally able to interact and talk with her!!
Got the quest for stealing the idol
She's still shouting "kids scatter" but also is still interactable to talk with
Also now am able to use the hole exit from the hideout!
Weird way to get past this bug but it worked for me...

That's nuts; kudos though, ahaha

[PhaZ 90771]

Can anyone verify if the Mol bugs have been fixed yet?

[Dr.Abscondus]

Really glad I skipped that quest. Kid picked my pocket and I just thought 'not doing this', loaded a save and ignored the kid. I always save before I talk to anybody. Mol showed up at the Last Light Inn in Act 2 and acted like she knew me, so I guess skipping the Act 1 mission didn't affect anything later in the game. The game is incredibly complex so I'm not surprised things go wrong. All of the things people talk about in this thread never happened to me because of the order in which I did things, the people I angered or didn't anger, and the composition of my party. Playthroughs really are different depending on your choices, and there are a lot of choices.

[Orion Invictus]

Originally posted by PhaZ 90771:

Can anyone verify if the Mol bugs have been fixed yet?

I have literally never experienced anything like this in the ~900 hours I've played across some 12 playthroughs (at various stages of completion) since release.