Why Larian perceive Minthara/Halsin as opposites

[Aleshenka1337]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but Minthara is a baddie only during Act 1 cuz she's indoctrinated, and iirc basically in order to save her in Act 2, one actually needs to make moves AGAINST the antagonist group. Why they just don't wanna leave some options such as u just knock her out in Act 1 and then u find her in a cell cuz she failed later.
She isn't a companion who is a real advocatus diaboli for the Absolute/antagonists, there is none, actually.

[Harukage]

She mentioned it herself. She was a Paladin dedicated to Lolth who swore to hunt Lolths enemies. That later changed to hunting enemies of the Absolute. And now she is hunting the followers of Absolute.
Her oath principles were not broken. So she is still a paladin. Still hunting sworn enemies.

[Aleshenka1337]

Originally posted by Zorn:

Originally posted by Aleshenka1337:

Yeah but regardless, ermmmmm, she isn't really a "religious" person after being betrayed, desposed of, by the Absolute

Yeah... honestly , i think the option to do an "evil" playthrough got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over again ( like usually in RPGs) theres virtually no evil companions... it would be enough to have ONE chaotic evil companion... or AT LEAST fully customizable hirelings.

That's for sure. I personally prefer to be a good guy in the majority of the games, but I'd, nonetheless, demand some supporting characters for the bad guys, and actually the choices/endings for all this stuff

[Harukage]

I mean Asterion is very supportive about gutting people...

[Aleshenka1337]

Originally posted by Harukage:

She mentioned it herself. She was a Paladin dedicated to Lolth who swore to hunt Lolths enemies. That later changed to hunting enemies of the Absolute. And now she is hunting the followers of Absolute.
Her oath principles were not broken. So she is still a paladin. Still hunting sworn enemies.

And yet u can play as an Elistraee cleric and she be like "We do not care"

[ScuffedOni]

Originally posted by Harukage:

She mentioned it herself. She was a Paladin dedicated to Lolth who swore to hunt Lolths enemies. That later changed to hunting enemies of the Absolute. And now she is hunting the followers of Absolute.
Her oath principles were not broken. So she is still a paladin. Still hunting sworn enemies.

Either way now she is a follower of Selune and it even says it in-game. It's like people can change their ways. Super weird.

[Aleshenka1337]

Plus, a player themselves can be a Lolth dedicated drow as far as I know and somehow Halsin doesn't try to kill a player on sight

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

It's because you're spewwing OLD drow lore. Look up something from 5.0 (we don't talk about 4.0) sometime.

1 - "Lolth sworn" and "seldarine" Drow, are Larian ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Drow don't have sub-races or divisions like that.

2 - Feel free to check all the versions here. Not a single one, since 1e, says that Drow are inherently evil. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Drow

This person here Drows.

Unlike other commenters

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

1 - "Lolth sworn" and "seldarine" Drow, are Larian ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Drow don't have sub-races or divisions like that.

Actually they do have subraces, but other groups are way to small and isolated to be relevant. Also none of them is playbale.
Lolth-sworn and Seldarine is more like a cultural difference than subrace. But i do not remember them having any visual difference. Drow are just Drow. Red eyes is Larians invention most likely.

[Zorn]

Originally posted by Aleshenka1337:

Originally posted by Zorn:

Yeah... honestly , i think the option to do an "evil" playthrough got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over again ( like usually in RPGs) theres virtually no evil companions... it would be enough to have ONE chaotic evil companion... or AT LEAST fully customizable hirelings.

That's for sure. I personally prefer to be a good guy in the majority of the games, but I'd, nonetheless, demand some supporting characters for the bad guys, and actually the choices/endings for all this stuff

Yeah, it even hits harder as theres an evil " origin" character with the Dark Urge start that invites you to be as evil as possible....the only problem is that nearly every single companion will hate you for it.

[Hobocop]

Originally posted by Harukage:

Originally posted by Maronchan:

1 - "Lolth sworn" and "seldarine" Drow, are Larian ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Drow don't have sub-races or divisions like that.

Actually they do have subraces, but other groups are way to small and isolated to be relevant. Also none of them is playbale.
Lolth-sworn and Seldarine is more like a cultural difference than subrace. But i do not remember them having any visual difference. Drow are just Drow. Red eyes is Larians invention most likely.

The entire point of having the division is for backend reactivity based on that difference since they're mechanically identical otherwise. Most folk aren't going to be able to tell the different at a glance.

[Grobut]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

2 - Feel free to check all the versions here. Not a single one, since 1e, says that Drow are inherently evil. https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Drow

Drow also weren't a playable race in 1e, they were just an enemy type back then.

They were greatly expanded upon when they became a playable race (including moving them from "inherently evil" to "evil by upbringing"), and that's also when Elistraee was added to the pantheon.

[Aleshenka1337]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

Originally posted by Harukage:

Actually they do have subraces, but other groups are way to small and isolated to be relevant. Also none of them is playbale.
Lolth-sworn and Seldarine is more like a cultural difference than subrace. But i do not remember them having any visual difference. Drow are just Drow. Red eyes is Larians invention most likely.

Drow have their own pantheon, the Dark Seldarine. Kindly stop repeating Larian's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Baldur's Gate 3 is Larian's rendition of DnD lore PER SE, PE-RI-OD. I struggle to understand why u bring up some DnD 4-5 lore things when the things don't, first of all, add up in BG3, the very things that matter and that are objective, such as for example no1 cares that a player is a drow and Lolth worshipper, or even.... Dark Urge who does completely awful, random things? And yet every1 in the camp don't really care that Minthara is a drow and potentially an active Lolth worshipper

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Maronchan:

Drow have their own pantheon, the Dark Seldarine. There's no division other than who worships which Dark Seldarine God/ess, no sub-races. FYI, Eilistraee and Lolth are BOTH part of the Dark Seldarine Pantheon.

Please inform yourself
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Aevendrow
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Lorendrow
Both are the groups who renounced Lolth worship and never went to the Underdark. A story of ancient time, when Drow still had a kingdom on surface.

[Ratch]

They probably don't regard them as opposites, but they use the same tent in camp so if you finessed a way to get them both, it causes issues. Wicked stupid when she could just take Minsc's tent spot since he's so easily missable.

[DwarfLivesMatter]

Originally posted by Harukage:

She mentioned it herself. She was a Paladin dedicated to Lolth who swore to hunt Lolths enemies. That later changed to hunting enemies of the Absolute. And now she is hunting the followers of Absolute.
Her oath principles were not broken. So she is still a paladin. Still hunting sworn enemies.

jfc this is why you don't just go and change words.

"paladin dedicated to Lolth" makes absolutely no sense.

Makes as much sense as saying "I wrenched my grapes dust detritus faces nine purple.