Were the Goblins depicted how you expected?

[Zehm]

When I think of goblins, I think of them as being little savage creatures, kind of like Mephits or Imps. They can talk to a degree, although they aren't really creatures that humans can converse with. They use primitive weapons and can be cunning, showing a degree of intelligence, but it's not really a higher intellect. And culturally, they are a tribal pack which can be dominated and directed by greater creatures like ogres or something like that.

However the Goblins in this game seem basically equal to humans. Cruder maybe, but basically people. Instead of them being goblin with sharp stick, or goblin with slingshot, they seem to have classes, like goblin ranger, goblin warlock, etc. You can talk to them normally and a lot of them seem reasonable, some are even friendly. I can't see much of a difference between goblins and how bandits would be depicted.

I haven't played DnD for maybe 20 year, so my question is does modern DnD depict goblins like they are in BG3? It seems to bring up some moral issues if they are. Wyll for example will leave your party if you go around murdering people, but he doesn't bat an eye if you slaughter every goblin you see despite them clearly being higher sentient beings. You fight Gnolls in this game and they seem like straight up savage, dangerous creatures with limited intellect. I'd expect goblins to be closer in nature to them, rather than what they are.

[The Fool]

Originally posted by buttawise:

These goblins are stanky, eat poop, and they kill people without a second thought. I think it's stupid if you kill one unprovoked with a Paladin you break your oath.

Yeah I don't entirely get the whole oath thing. It's probably better to go back to paladins having their powers from a god, or make the oaths more detailed.

Most of the tabletop games I'm in still use the regular rules because too many arguments pop up. E.g. One guy thinks the goblin's behavior proves he's not evil. Another guy disagrees that the behavior proves that the goblin is good or neutral. Paladin kills goblin as an inherently evil creature. Other Paladin kills first Paladin for breaking his oath to only wipe away evil. Other Paladin is struck down by his god for deciding what's good and evil.

[Kurnauskis uwu]

Shortstack goblins got me BRICKED up

[Antonius]

I dunno I killed them in WOW...

[Landomart]

Goblins in 5e have an intelligence score of 10 (same as humans), and can speak common and goblin. Most goblins are neutral evil. A DM in PnP could set something up where you encounter a tribe of peaceful goblins that would have moral consequences for being completely slaughtered by players, but BG3 doesn't have that. Every goblin you encounter in the game is evil and Wyll has no problem with you wiping them out.

[Twyt]

Originally posted by Akabi, Destroyer of Planes:

Originally posted by Twyt:

I liked it a lot and it is pretty accurate to the DND lore. Even all the way back in 1st edition they were never really mindless monsters. There are races that take the place of "evil" ones, like gnolls, who literally cannot be anything other than barely sentient beasts because of their hunger.

Larian depicted Gnolls very accurately as well simply through the mental exchange between you and the pack leader. The fact that it fights against the tadpole's influence and REALLY wants to eat you despite being told it's not allowed to was great.

Honestly it kind of made me feel bad for the creature. Yeenoghu is a bastard I tell ya.

True. Later if you infiltrate Moonrise Towers you can find gnolls being forced to be normal and civilised, and even talk, through mind control. Poor things cant catch a break, 2 overwhelming forces just using them for their own gain and making their lives pure hell.

[DwarfLivesMatter]

What you're describing is how goblins/orcs were originally designed. They were evil monsters, not people. That all went out the window a long time ago. Every monster is people now.

[Sterling]

Originally posted by Landomart:

Goblins in 5e have an intelligence score of 10 (same as humans),

So an average goblin is smarter than Halsin? Hmm that explains a lot.

[The Fool]

Average goblin is smarter than my 8 Int paladin, too