Anyone Like Astarion?

[Franzosisch]

I really do not understand how you would like this character. Tries to kill you when you first meet. Tries to kill you again soon after. Snoops on everything you do. Throws a tantrum if you start a romance with anyone else. And I haven't even gotten to act two. Honestly regretting not killing him and I usually like keeping all companions in these games.

[Simpson3k]

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

Originally posted by Simpson3k:

Well he is the only one with descent skill in lockpicking and trap dissarming, unless you make a rogue yourself or bend the build of someone else for it. So its like tolerate him or savescumming for every lock and trap with almost zero bonuses toward a natural twenty at many occasions.

Realistically. You can just get a rogue from skelly bones in your camp.

You could but then you would have two potentially chars without an origin, that freelancer rogue and your own, if you make a char yourself. And every companion without origin, offers no quests to the game.

I think the best you can do is play Astarion yourself, then you have full controll what he says and can become a powerfull (spoiler) in the end.

[Vince]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

I really do not understand how you would like this character. Tries to kill you when you first meet. Tries to kill you again soon after. Snoops on everything you do. Throws a tantrum if you start a romance with anyone else. And I haven't even gotten to act two. Honestly regretting not killing him and I usually like keeping all companions in these games.

Like you, I also regret not just killing him. He's a terrible character with a terrible voice-actor. If anyone would imitate a posh elite person like this voice-actor, I'd applaud them for their simple exaggeration.

Anyway, now I'm kinda forced by myself to see this through... while I am not at all invested in him or his story. In fact, I find his whole vampire angle strangely out of place in this setting.

[eoozy]

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

I really do not understand how you would like this character. Tries to kill you when you first meet. Tries to kill you again soon after. Snoops on everything you do. Throws a tantrum if you start a romance with anyone else. And I haven't even gotten to act two. Honestly regretting not killing him and I usually like keeping all companions in these games.

I honestly dont understand people who kill characters because they have some flaws. He's a vampire so of course he would have a hard time controlling his urge. He's jealous also but that doesnt mean you should kill him, all I'm gonna say is if you knew his whole story it would be easier to understand.

[Trolleur_Durden]

I really like Astarion despite being a hetero dude. The reason is because he knows that he's a cynical douchebag and that he can't really be offended at other people answering the same way to him. Which means that you can throw various verbal jabs at him during conversations without losing approval. This makes conversations with him quite relaxed, as opposed to various other characters, since you aren't really afraid to say the wrong thing and can roll with whatever you want. This allows you to have a snarky/witty kind of friendship with him, something that you can't really have with other characters.

For example, when Astarion complains about Minthara's recruitement, you can tell him "Jealous you're no longer the least trustworthy person in our camp anymore?" and he won't take it badly or lose approval.

[ScuffedOni]

Originally posted by Teethling:

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

I know the fantasy well....since I'm gay. I'm well aware of the f*g hags. Nice try though. Thing is with him is that he isn't gay. Just acts VERY gay. He will attempt to bang you if you're a female character in a heart beat. The point stands he is gay coded so he is not for females. He's for gay males. Just like Karlach is for lesbians.

Nice try though? What exactly did I try to pull over you. You seem to be aware of the point I was attempting to make but would rather focus on gay coded nonsense. They are all playersexual regardless. So the fact women can sleep with him is not lost on me. I actually have a playthrough right now trying to decide between Wyll and Astarion for my romance as a woman, sucker.

"you need to spend more time talking to women, or men even" It was a cheeky attempt at a subtle insult. Saying that I don't talk to anyone i.e. no friends. Hence why I said "Nice try though." Playersexual isn't a thing with the companions. They were VERY obviously coded a certain way. Karlach = Lesbians because if you have a sex scene with her as a male she shoves her fingers up your arse when you can tell that it was supposed to be an animation for her fingering a female. Also your male character uses the very female animations. Straddling her lap. Almost looking like she is about to push a strap-on into you etc. Mithara = Straight Male coded. Her sex scene it actually shows her sucking your shlong with her head bobbing up and down and then riding you.

[ScuffedOni]

Originally posted by eoozy:

Originally posted by Franzosisch:

I really do not understand how you would like this character. Tries to kill you when you first meet. Tries to kill you again soon after. Snoops on everything you do. Throws a tantrum if you start a romance with anyone else. And I haven't even gotten to act two. Honestly regretting not killing him and I usually like keeping all companions in these games.

I honestly dont understand people who kill characters because they have some flaws. He's a vampire so of course he would have a hard time controlling his urge. He's jealous also but that doesnt mean you should kill him, all I'm gonna say is if you knew his whole story it would be easier to understand.

He is more than just that. He is full on "I kick puppies and stomp on kittens" evil. SUPER power hungry. Wants you to take over the world. Is fine with killing kids. AND he's a racist.

[Bishi]

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

Originally posted by Teethling:

Nice try though? What exactly did I try to pull over you. You seem to be aware of the point I was attempting to make but would rather focus on gay coded nonsense. They are all playersexual regardless. So the fact women can sleep with him is not lost on me. I actually have a playthrough right now trying to decide between Wyll and Astarion for my romance as a woman, sucker.

"you need to spend more time talking to women, or men even" It was a cheeky attempt at a subtle insult. Saying that I don't talk to anyone i.e. no friends. Hence why I said "Nice try though." Playersexual isn't a thing with the companions. They were VERY obviously coded a certain way. Karlach = Lesbians because if you have a sex scene with her as a male she shoves her fingers up your arse when you can tell that it was supposed to be an animation for her fingering a female. Also your male character uses the very female animations. Straddling her lap. Almost looking like she is about to push a strap-on into you etc. Mithara = Straight Male coded. Her sex scene it actually shows her sucking your shlong with her head bobbing up and down and then riding you.

I love how this gay man can describe every straight male romance in this game, but has yet to comment on what makes Astarion sex scenes explicitly gay audience intended.

[eoozy]

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

Originally posted by eoozy:

I honestly dont understand people who kill characters because they have some flaws. He's a vampire so of course he would have a hard time controlling his urge. He's jealous also but that doesnt mean you should kill him, all I'm gonna say is if you knew his whole story it would be easier to understand.

He is more than just that. He is full on "I kick puppies and stomp on kittens" evil. SUPER power hungry. Wants you to take over the world. Is fine with killing kids. AND he's a racist.

Yeah I'm willing to bet its because of the centuries of torture and being forced to lie to people and take them to his "master" its kind of hard being a regular good person after all he's been through. But you can change him enough so that he isnt full on evil.
I also feel like his ambition and being power hungry comes from just gaining freedom so he wants to make sure he wont have to be a slave to anyone ever again.

That's just my take on him, but I dont find him full on evil, even though he does have evil remarks and actions. Shadowheart is also a racist, among many other characters in the game.

[Teufels Beitrag]

He is so damn annoying. Unfortunatly Gald hit on my so hart, that i can't have this char in my group any longer. I accept LGTBQ stuff, but i don't want to have it forced up on me. There is no way to say no. Awkward scenes just happen.

[eoozy]

Originally posted by Teufels Beitrag:

He is so damn annoying. Unfortunatly Gald hit on my so hart, that i can't have this char in my group any longer. I accept LGTBQ stuff, but i don't want to have it forced up on me. There is no way to say no. Awkward scenes just happen.

Um yes you can say no and refuse any intimate moments wdym?

[ScuffedOni]

Originally posted by Teethling:

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

"you need to spend more time talking to women, or men even" It was a cheeky attempt at a subtle insult. Saying that I don't talk to anyone i.e. no friends. Hence why I said "Nice try though." Playersexual isn't a thing with the companions. They were VERY obviously coded a certain way. Karlach = Lesbians because if you have a sex scene with her as a male she shoves her fingers up your arse when you can tell that it was supposed to be an animation for her fingering a female. Also your male character uses the very female animations. Straddling her lap. Almost looking like she is about to push a strap-on into you etc. Mithara = Straight Male coded. Her sex scene it actually shows her sucking your shlong with her head bobbing up and down and then riding you.

I love how this gay man can describe every straight male romance in this game, but has yet to comment on what makes Astarion sex scenes explicitly gay audience intended.

Because I've done every romance in the game? It isn't a hard thing to do. Are you okay? Do you need a nap? I've done all the straight and lesbian female romances as well. Those are just two that came off of the top of my head since that's the playthrough I'm currently doing. I also never said I would comment on the Astarion sex scenes so I don't know why you were expecting that. It's obvious that he is coded as a gay man so nothings really needed to prove it. You just have to interact with him throughout a playthrough. Are you one of those females that likes trying to turn gay males that you were talking about earlier? Am I "kink shaming" you somehow?

[ScuffedOni]

Originally posted by eoozy:

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

He is more than just that. He is full on "I kick puppies and stomp on kittens" evil. SUPER power hungry. Wants you to take over the world. Is fine with killing kids. AND he's a racist.

Yeah I'm willing to bet its because of the centuries of torture and being forced to lie to people and take them to his "master" its kind of hard being a regular good person after all he's been through. But you can change him enough so that he isnt full on evil.
I also feel like his ambition and being power hungry comes from just gaining freedom so he wants to make sure he wont have to be a slave to anyone ever again.

That's just my take on him, but I dont find him full on evil, even though he does have evil remarks and actions. Shadowheart is also a racist, among many other characters in the game.

I mean...you can't after his Act 3 story he just goes back to being the same ol' Astarion. So no change or character growth there. Unless you count three sentences on how he's happy he didn't do the ritual as character growth. "I dont find him full on evil, even though he does have evil remarks and actions" What? That doesn't even make sense. "I don't find him evil. Other than what he says and does."

[Beast of War]

Astarion is a classic "Dandy" as he is presents himself very civilized up to the point of being arrogant and very sure of himself. This is a facade as the player discovers.

Him being that way is logic : that makes him a successful hunter for victims as he lures them in the night. For that you need to have slick social skills and blend in with the city (high) society and it's night life. You can clearly see many richer Baldurians have a high level of arrogancy and self esteem of their own, so Astrion fits well in their circles.

A lot of the party members have a history brutal murderer and even torture and Astarion does not seem to be the darkest of them.

[Bishi]

Originally posted by ScuffedOni:

Originally posted by Teethling:

I love how this gay man can describe every straight male romance in this game, but has yet to comment on what makes Astarion sex scenes explicitly gay audience intended.

Because I've done every romance in the game? It isn't a hard thing to do. Are you okay? Do you need a nap? I've done all the straight and lesbian female romances as well. Those are just two that came off of the top of my head since that's the playthrough I'm currently doing. I also never said I would comment on the Astarion sex scenes so I don't know why you were expecting that. It's obvious that he is coded as a gay man so nothings really needed to prove it. You just have to interact with him throughout a playthrough. Are you one of those females that likes trying to turn gay males that you were talking about earlier? Am I "kink shaming" you somehow?

Hm? I can differentiate fantasy from reality so I feel no shame being open about it. I just was curious about Astarion because you seem to imply Karlach is low key lesbian with surprise fingering, opposed to obvious on the surface Astarion. I was wondering from your own experience what stood out in the intimate scenes that made Astarion clearly for men. That is all. And I guess pushing you around has been a bit fun. My apologies, I’ll behave now.

[Bamsmacked]

I don't like him at all. I know he's inherently an evil character and I'm not even trying to play a goody-two-shoes but he seems to always have an issue with how I do things. Pretty much every quest I take he pops off with negative approval, unless I'm killing someones puppy than he loves me.