Are there no Dungeons in a Dungeons & Dragons games?!

[Gspot]

I am playing through act 3 now and I cant remember 1 single dungeon in this game. What happened? I get it, the story telling is important but there was space and context to add some dungeons in this game.


Spoilers from Act3 ahead.

For example, I just reached the palace of a certain important Vampire. When i got to the underground area and saw a bunch of doors, I thought, "finally we found one". But no, it is just a couple of rooms with underwhelming loot and then you find the Vampire (which is a pretty easy fight even on hardcore). This place couldve been a SICK dungeon.. as so many others.. what a wasted potential man..

[Quillithe]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Wait, so by this definition the section of HotU in Undermountain doesn't take place in a dungeon?

That seems....odd

What is HotU? What is undermoutnain?

Grymforge/underdark are main story locations.

Talking about dungeons

Doesn't know Undermountain

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Are you triggered?

Thats litterally how we played dnd table top.

If it doesnt fit your 'specific' description you dont need to make a hazzle out of it.

This is how me and friends see as dungeans.

Great. Dont try to pass it off as an official DnD definition. The source books are pretty clear on what a dungeon is. I'm looking at pg 99 in the 5e DMG right now.
BG3 has dungeons by every common definition. BG3 has dungeons by the literal definition.

If thats what you wanna make off it.

Thats fine, That wont change my view and how me and my friends (Lets face it, you dont plasy dnd with strangers) porttray dungeans. We have a MMO background. So naturally we are going to not see 'overworld boss fight arenas' as mini dungeans.

Originally posted by Quillithe:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

What is HotU? What is undermoutnain?

Grymforge/underdark are main story locations.

Talking about dungeons

Doesn't know Undermountain

Yeah cause DND totally is set around certain locations,,, XD

Do you even know how many dnd themes there are?

[Toblm]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Great. Dont try to pass it off as an official DnD definition. The source books are pretty clear on what a dungeon is. I'm looking at pg 99 in the 5e DMG right now.
BG3 has dungeons by every common definition. BG3 has dungeons by the literal definition.

If thats what you wanna make off it.

Thats fine, That wont change my view and how me and my friends (Lets face it, you dont plasy dnd with strangers) porttray dungeans. We have a MMO background. So naturally we are going to not see 'overworld boss fight arenas' as mini dungeans.

I regularly enjoy tabletop dnd. So you can shove that ♥♥♥♥.

You can houserule dungeons as whatever you want. That doesnt change the term dungeon is quite flexible in DnD and by 5e examples in the source books there are many dungeons in BG3.

[Valtaya]

Originally posted by Gspot:

I am playing through act 3 now and I cant remember 1 single dungeon in this game. What happened? I get it, the story telling is important but there was space and context to add some dungeons in this game.


Spoilers from Act3 ahead.

For example, I just reached the palace of a certain important Vampire. When i got to the underground area and saw a bunch of doors, I thought, "finally we found one". But no, it is just a couple of rooms with underwhelming loot and then you find the Vampire (which is a pretty easy fight even on hardcore). This place couldve been a SICK dungeon.. as so many others.. what a wasted potential man..

Sorry but what exactly is a dungeon for you? The "Selune Temple" in the wilderness is a dungeon, so is Grymforge, and Shars Temple, the sewers in Baldurs Gate are a dungeon, and yes Cazadors undercity ruins are a dungeon, albeit small. Not every dungeon have to be an Act upon itself.

But what puzzles me most is this "for this forum" typical "the cazador fight is easy" statement. Despite resistances on Astarion, Cazador did 70+ damage to him on his first turn, and than the first ghoul came, paralyzed Astarion and the next one killed him. Than the 4 (I think it were 4, but maybe just 3) werewolves jumped to my fighter and killed her in the first round with their 3 attacks each. I think I had to reload 7 times before Astarion finaly partialy resisted Cazadors attack and was not paralyzed, so could use a healing potion, and the werewolves missed 2 attacks so my fighter could also use a heal pot. So the first 2 rounds were quite annoying and after that the fight not particurlaly hard, but anything but easy.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

If thats what you wanna make off it.

Thats fine, That wont change my view and how me and my friends (Lets face it, you dont plasy dnd with strangers) porttray dungeans. We have a MMO background. So naturally we are going to not see 'overworld boss fight arenas' as mini dungeans.

I regularly enjoy tabletop dnd. So you shove that ♥♥♥♥.

You can houserule dungeons as whatever you want. That doesnt change the term dungeon is quite flexible in DnD and by 5e examples in the source books there are many dungeons in BG3.

So why are you personally judging me because I dont use the word per your definition, cause you seem kinda hostile for no reason.

[Ciaphas Kirby]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

The goblin ford aint a dungean just because its a seperate instance. Its one of the (I think four pathways) to Underdark.

Its the route to go to because by the time you're suippose to go there, you should allready at least on your first playthrough cleared the inside of the fort.

To me this doesnt count as a dungean.

Ethies does/Spider well do but you also just have to know how to get to the UD from those. Those arnt told in the dialog by halsin when you freed him. He only tells you about the mountain pass and underdark way., and then you as a character have the option to say that you know where the entrance to UD is.

Why would Underdark access disqualify it from being a dungeon?
Its got bosses, loot, multiple levels, multiple accesses, quests, puzzles and baddies.

What else do you need for a dungeon?

It's missing the nostalgia of playing the game 20 years ago, so I'm afraid it doesn't qualify. I'm sorry, but them's the rules. Not a dungeon.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Ciaphas Kirby:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Why would Underdark access disqualify it from being a dungeon?
Its got bosses, loot, multiple levels, multiple accesses, quests, puzzles and baddies.

What else do you need for a dungeon?

It's missing the nostalgia of playing the game 20 years ago, so I'm afraid it doesn't qualify. I'm sorry, but them's the rules. Not a dungeon.

Then you are looking for a different game. ADnD maybe. Meets and exceeds every modern definition.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

I am not being a prick by saying that we simply think dungeans arnt main story areas.

But hey, you go ahead, keep being triggered.

No, but trying to call me some sort shut-in who doesnt play table top with "real people" is being prick as is trying to suggest I am "triggered."

Where did I specifically call you out on that?

I litterally just said here, as in HERE we dont see every place as a dungean like you do.

Thats all I have said. XD

[Stim Addict]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Ok, you are wrong. The theme of the Goblin camp is invading goblin horde that can either be a friend or enemy. Which plays an important part in the Act 1 conflict and is an important source of information on your tadpole and the nature of the BBEG for BG3.

But ok. Nothing is a dungeon.

That is your personal opinion in it.

Doesnt make it a dungean.

To me its just an main story area.

Dungeans dont follow main storys imho (Hench I said Ethyl/Spider in act 1, Act 2 basement isnt even a proper dungean.

I dont think the goblin bosses are 'bosses' as in dungean bosses. I think they are 'elites'.

I also take into account that dungeans are dead ends. Not tunnels to 'pass' to the next big area.

While they may classify as 'bosses', the githyanty patrol is much harder then any of these goblin leaders.

When I look at bosses I look at special encounters, and quite frankly those are lacking.

Essentially the entirity of act 1 is followed into act 2 and thats where you will find the first real bosses assuming you didnt miss stuff like the forge robot.

Even Ethyl/spider arnt 'true' bosses imho.

If you consider those ' dungeans' you might call everything dungeans.

Bosses have appropriate mechanics to them, and the first real bosses you face are (Aside from the forge robot) are the thorm family members.

I just need to know if you purposefully misspelled dungeons to ♥♥♥♥ with my dyslexia?

[Toblm]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Toblm:

No, but trying to call me some sort shut-in who doesnt play table top with "real people" is being prick as is trying to suggest I am "triggered."

Where did I specifically call you out on that?

I litterally just said here, as in HERE we dont see every place as a dungean like you do.

Thats all I have said. XD

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Great. Dont try to pass it off as an official DnD definition. The source books are pretty clear on what a dungeon is. I'm looking at pg 99 in the 5e DMG right now.
BG3 has dungeons by every common definition. BG3 has dungeons by the literal definition.

If thats what you wanna make off it.

Thats fine, That wont change my view and how me and my friends (Lets face it, you dont plasy dnd with strangers) porttray dungeans. We have a MMO background. So naturally we are going to not see 'overworld boss fight arenas' as mini dungeans.

Forgot about this didnt you?

[Ryzilynt]

Originally posted by Grease989:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

I am not being a prick by saying that we simply think dungeans arnt main story areas.

But hey, you go ahead, keep being triggered.

In this thread you have tried to pass off you and your friends definition of a dungeon (not dungean) as the definitive definition of a dungeon, got upset when you were told that is not what dungeons in D&D are (though they are flexible) and kept calling someone triggered after almost every response. Now, if I am making an assumption here, tell me I am wrong. But you seem like a very young person, trying to complain about how your way is the right way but if anybody else has a different opinion, they can screw off because your way is how you do it.

Also, You are being a Prick by calling someone triggered every other post when they are having a normal discussion, but hey, in your pov you're not a prick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But he's definitely spelling dungeon wrong.

I see this behavior as "troll" , but maybe you're right, maybe it's developmental.

Wonder if he thinks I've been "triggered"

[Aria Athena]

What even is this¿ The game is full of dungeons, even has a few literal ones.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Where did I specifically call you out on that?

I litterally just said here, as in HERE we dont see every place as a dungean like you do.

Thats all I have said. XD

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

If thats what you wanna make off it.

Thats fine, That wont change my view and how me and my friends (Lets face it, you dont plasy dnd with strangers) porttray dungeans. We have a MMO background. So naturally we are going to not see 'overworld boss fight arenas' as mini dungeans.

Forgot about this didnt you?

So you're saying you play dnd with strangers, and thats somehow offensive to you?

[Stim Addict]

Originally posted by Ryzilynt:

Originally posted by Grease989:

In this thread you have tried to pass off you and your friends definition of a dungeon (not dungean) as the definitive definition of a dungeon, got upset when you were told that is not what dungeons in D&D are (though they are flexible) and kept calling someone triggered after almost every response. Now, if I am making an assumption here, tell me I am wrong. But you seem like a very young person, trying to complain about how your way is the right way but if anybody else has a different opinion, they can screw off because your way is how you do it.

Also, You are being a Prick by calling someone triggered every other post when they are having a normal discussion, but hey, in your pov you're not a prick ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But he's definitely spelling dungeon wrong.

I see this behavior as "troll" , but maybe you're right, maybe it's developmental.

Wonder if he thinks I've been "triggered"

Maybe because they are a furry and those people refuse to speak properly to save their lives because it makes them "quirky"

[Toblm]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Forgot about this didnt you?

So you're saying you play dnd with strangers, and thats somehow offensive to you?

No, I'm saying you are a troll and acting a prick. As you well know.