The "I Told You So" Thread Regarding Gale

[SnuffSaid]

• Made it less ambiguous that you're starting a romance with Gale when choosing certain dialogue options.
• During Gale's spell-teaching scene, you now have the option to picture a future with Gale that falls somewhere in between kissing him and kicking him in the head.

There you have it, straight from the horse’s mouth. I told people they’d have egg on their face when the first big patch dropped, and here we are.

So no, folks, you don’t “have difficulty reading social cues”, nor do you “not know how flirting works in the real world”, nor were you “lying” because you’re part of some alt right conspiracy or shadow council against the LGBT community. You were, quite simply, reporting an issue with the game and getting berated and gaslighted for it by a group of people who are supposedly tolerant.

I’m not normally big on gloating, but the small group of dedicated defenders (they know who they are) took great satisfaction in harassing, reporting and then using phrases like “you’ve been proven wrong”, despite no proof actually being presented. Now the proof has in fact arrived; they have been proven wrong.

Gale and your character will spend the entire game convinced they are in the opening stages of a relationship if you pass the innocent skill checks in the weave scene, even if you back out the very first moment available to you once it becomes clear it’s a romance initiation. This false trigger for a “relationship” led to multiple immersion-breaking scenes throughout the game, such as Gale making jarring comments about his attraction to you, your character having the option to think about your attraction to him to distract a mind probe, references to the “night you spent together” in multiple dialogues, and Gale making a relatively disapproving comment if you enter into a relationship with anybody else, to name a few. This is why people perceived he was “forcing himself” on them or “wouldn’t take no for an answer”; the game was treating you as in a relationship without you being aware and you have no option to tell it otherwise.

I’m sure there will be a great deal of cope and straw-clutching semantics in the thread, my suggestion is if you were on the right side of this topic, just compliment anybody you disagree with so they can’t abuse the report function to silence you for being “inflammatory”. Plus, they can probably use the self-esteem boost of a compliment after stepping on a rake this hard.

And if they do manage to get that red lettering to appear next to our names again regardless, oh well; won’t change the fact we were right.

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

The woke crowd is really feeling it today.

The patch notes just dropped and they were proven to have been harassing and gaslighting people for weeks with no good reason. Give them a little while to wash the egg off their face, it's understandable they are upset. Let's support our fellow man.

[Muado 93]

These "tolerant" people don't know how to talk to women or flirt and suck up to any progressive movement hoping their white knight attitude will get them laid.

Yet they're here telling other players they don't know how to read social cues and flirt.

Lol! Everybody here does their damndest to act like a modern day Casanova and it's pathetic.

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by JStryker47:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Impossible.

The teaching the weave scene is litterally gale's first scene. Ya know, the one where is he 'conjuring' a picture of mystra.

No, I'm pretty sure the first camp conversation with him is the one where he talks about the "go to hell" expression, followed by the one with him using a double of himself as a mirror.

Not for me. For me the first rest encounter was him making a projection of Mystra.

[GLsimtam]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

I didn't get to that scene, I got to the one before. Game still treated me in a relationship all the way.

Impossible.

The teaching the weave scene is litterally gale's first scene. Ya know, the one where is he 'conjuring' a picture of mystra.

The camp party with tieflings can happen before that. I admit, "Made it less ambiguous that you're starting a romance with Gale when choosing certain dialogue options." is a bit ambiguous, and I wouldn't do the victory lap before confirming that the tiefling party was also fixed. Far as I remember it:

Gale: Thank you. PC: ... Gale: Nvm, I have sth cool for the afterparty.
[PC goes to Lae'zeal] Lae'zeal: Your armpits smell like khajeet, but you are carnally promised to Gale already.

[Time Traveler]

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

I never cuddled him either, my player just stood close to him, passed the skill check, then they started looking at eachother with homosexual intent and I backed out. But after that point the game thought I was pursuing Gale, all because I copied a magic hand symbol.

"Copied a magic hand symbol" is pretty simplistic, and calling it "homosexual intent" is making me throw up a little.

It pretty much shows that you didnt listen to a word gale said before this scene starts.
Because he literally tells you about the importance of the weave to him, and how it connects all spellcasters.

If somebody told you "This weave thing, it's like the best thing that ever happened to me, it connects me with other wizards and I literally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the goddesses made of it.... do you wanna try casting magic with me" and you went "Oh so you want me to do a magic hand symbol" then they would very clearly identify you as a bad listener

Wrong. You can completely refuse to enter the weave with Gale and skip that scene but the game still bugs out and lists you as being "romantically involved," "bosom companions, seeking after pleasures of the flesh" and that Gale "simply finds you irresistible."

Even the official Discord channel has entire sections of feedback about how bugged/messed up Gale's romance flags are in this game:

https://discord.com/channels/98922182746329088/1139272897551147103

Edited to fix bad typos and clarification.

[SoundsOfNight]

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

Originally posted by DragonSoundxSG:

The woke crowd is really feeling it today.

The patch notes just dropped and they were proven to have been harassing and gaslighting people for weeks with no good reason. Give them a little while to wash the egg off their face, it's understandable they are upset. Let's support our fellow man.

Fair point. Hugs all around.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Lucky Gamer:

Originally posted by RhodosGuard:

"Copied a magic hand symbol" is pretty simplistic, and calling it "homosexual intent" is making me throw up a little.

It pretty much shows that you didnt listen to a word gale said before this scene starts.
Because he literally tells you about the importance of the weave to him, and how it connects all spellcasters.

If somebody told you "This weave thing, it's like the best thing that ever happened to me, it connects me with other wizards and I literally ♥♥♥♥♥♥ the goddesses made of it.... do you wanna try casting magic with me" and you went "Oh so you want me to do a magic hand symbol" then they would very clearly identify you as a bad listener

Wrong. You can can completely refuse to enter the weave with Gale and skip that scene but the game still bugs out and lists you as being "romantically involved," "bosom companions, seeking after pleasures of the flesh" and that Gale "simply finds you irristible." There are entire sections of feedback about how bugged/messed up Gale's romance flags are in this game on Larian's official discord server:

https://discord.com/channels/98922182746329088/1139272897551147103

Even the official Discord channel has entire sections of feedback about this.

If that was the case, then the bug fix would be

"Fixed a bug where if you didnt romance gale, flags would be set properly"

Yet, You now have 'clearer' dialog options :p

[Time Traveler]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Lucky Gamer:

Wrong. You can can completely refuse to enter the weave with Gale and skip that scene but the game still bugs out and lists you as being "romantically involved," "bosom companions, seeking after pleasures of the flesh" and that Gale "simply finds you irristible." There are entire sections of feedback about how bugged/messed up Gale's romance flags are in this game on Larian's official discord server:

https://discord.com/channels/98922182746329088/1139272897551147103

Even the official Discord channel has entire sections of feedback about this.

If that was the case, then the bug fix would be

"Fixed a bug where if you didnt romance gale, flags would be set properly"

Yet, You now have 'clearer' dialog options :p

Yeah, they still haven't fixed it all the way; people are still having issues with it. But at least the "social ques" have been adjusted for people that accidentally went into the relationship through player choices rather than it just bugging out on them.

[Rex is back, baby!]

Do you feel better after posting this thread?

What this post is doing:

https://ibb.co/xH0GpTv

Yes, it is wrong and immature for people to gloat. Makes me question their actual age and if they're even old enough to play this game, by their juvenile behavior, but what post does this serve? It only throws gasoline into the fire. Look at the responses, look at your responses.

If you truly do not care, you'd be apathetic, not engaging, I do not see that.

[Grimmsch]

I add this to the list of warning labels such as:

"Caution: Hot beverages are hot!" -- On a coffee cup
"Remove plastic before eating." -- On the wrapper of a Fruit Roll-Up snack
"Not dishwasher safe." -- On a remote control for a TV.

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by Rex:

Do you feel better after posting this thread?

What this post is doing:

https://ibb.co/xH0GpTv

Yes, it is wrong and immature for people to gloat. Makes me question their actual age and if they're even old enough to play this game, by their juvenile behavior, but what post does this serve? It only throws gasoline into the fire. Look at the responses, look at your responses.

If you truly do not care, you'd be apathetic, not engaging, I do not see that.

Much better, thank you. Being right is always cathartic. I'm sure you get proven right often so this will be familiar to you. Thank you for your contribution. :)

[qqgachoo]

Originally posted by Akabi, Destroyer of Planes:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

Larian have confirmed it was ambiguous.

Not to normal people.

we're back to using the word normal now? i thought normal was toxic?

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by InNeedOfWombat:

"Hey, look they have seen my social ineptitude and added something so I can't cry anymore. That means I am not socially inept!"

Wyld take mate.
Wyld take.

This is a fix because they thought no one would possibly be that blind to an obvious romance scene, not because it was not obvious. xD

While it is unfortunate that when you see evidence of something, you perceive it as evidence of the polar opposite, I'm sure you have many other redeeming qualities. Such an ailment must be tough, but I believe you have the perseverance to get through it. You can get through anything, I support you.

[Ashfelt]

Originally posted by InNeedOfWombat:

"Hey, look they have seen my social ineptitude and added something so I can't cry anymore. That means I am not socially inept!"

Wyld take mate.
Wyld take.

This is a fix because they thought no one would possibly be that blind to an obvious romance scene, not because it was not obvious. xD

Damn dude you literally just did the exact same thing op described. Hold onto that L buddy

[Wiegs]

Originally posted by tsundoku81:

Originally posted by Akabi, Destroyer of Planes:

Not to normal people.

we're back to using the word normal now? i thought normal was toxic?

Do you prefer the word "Average" ? Or is it not the word but the fact that some people are different than others that bothers you ? Because you know it's alright to be different