The "I Told You So" Thread Regarding Gale

[SnuffSaid]

• Made it less ambiguous that you're starting a romance with Gale when choosing certain dialogue options.
• During Gale's spell-teaching scene, you now have the option to picture a future with Gale that falls somewhere in between kissing him and kicking him in the head.

There you have it, straight from the horse’s mouth. I told people they’d have egg on their face when the first big patch dropped, and here we are.

So no, folks, you don’t “have difficulty reading social cues”, nor do you “not know how flirting works in the real world”, nor were you “lying” because you’re part of some alt right conspiracy or shadow council against the LGBT community. You were, quite simply, reporting an issue with the game and getting berated and gaslighted for it by a group of people who are supposedly tolerant.

I’m not normally big on gloating, but the small group of dedicated defenders (they know who they are) took great satisfaction in harassing, reporting and then using phrases like “you’ve been proven wrong”, despite no proof actually being presented. Now the proof has in fact arrived; they have been proven wrong.

Gale and your character will spend the entire game convinced they are in the opening stages of a relationship if you pass the innocent skill checks in the weave scene, even if you back out the very first moment available to you once it becomes clear it’s a romance initiation. This false trigger for a “relationship” led to multiple immersion-breaking scenes throughout the game, such as Gale making jarring comments about his attraction to you, your character having the option to think about your attraction to him to distract a mind probe, references to the “night you spent together” in multiple dialogues, and Gale making a relatively disapproving comment if you enter into a relationship with anybody else, to name a few. This is why people perceived he was “forcing himself” on them or “wouldn’t take no for an answer”; the game was treating you as in a relationship without you being aware and you have no option to tell it otherwise.

I’m sure there will be a great deal of cope and straw-clutching semantics in the thread, my suggestion is if you were on the right side of this topic, just compliment anybody you disagree with so they can’t abuse the report function to silence you for being “inflammatory”. Plus, they can probably use the self-esteem boost of a compliment after stepping on a rake this hard.

And if they do manage to get that red lettering to appear next to our names again regardless, oh well; won’t change the fact we were right.

[Shakoris]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

Either prove that I am right wing with an actual quote of mine, or back down from your untenable position.

This thread.

Gaslighting this thread magically didn't happen just proves me correct about you.

Originally posted by Shakoris:

ou never backed up anything, including my so called "transphobia" for pointing out children cannot make life changing decisions.

You've been linked to the thread in question, and other people agreed I was correct in my assessment about you.

Gaslighting that didn't happen just proves me correct about you.

From this point out, claiming that publicly viewable things didn't happen or happened different from how they actually obviously happened, will be met with the same:

Gaslighting those publicly viewable things didn't happen just proves me correct about you.

Response.

As I'm just tired of the pattern on this forum of people gaslighting 24/7/365 about publicly viewable comments and threads, including even doing it when multiple people have corroborated what actually happened.

Nobody agreed with you. People checked the thread already. It's apparently 12 vs 1 and you still think the majority is with you.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by Cacomistle:

You aren't even talking to person F (that'd be snuff), this guy said nothing except

...right-wing comments that multiple people in this thread have explained extensively are right-wing comments.

Fixed that for you, as I'm really tired of people constantly doing this 24/7/365 gaslighting routine about publicly viewable comments.

I literally don't know what you think you're accomplishing, because the more you gaslight about what happened, the more you convince me I'm right about you.

As why would genuinely sincere people keep gaslighting about the conversation they're in?

What did he say that was right wing?

I looked through his post history, didn't see anything. All I saw him saying that he doesn't want all the act 1 characters to hit on him.

It is possible I missed it. If you just tell me what he said that you think was right wing, I can quite obviously go verify it for myself.

[Noxclo]

Originally posted by slizeres:

And why do i have to get hit on by every character on act 1? Have you played Mass Effect?

It has romance options that change if you choose male or female for your character. Companions are straight, gay or bi regardless of what you choose.

To get to have sex with someone you have to work for it, not just say "oh hi gale" and instantly have him wanting to f you. And i used Gale as an example but it happens with everyone except Shadowheart.

Mass Effect had a good romance mechanic, this game has a sex mechanic

Because people asked for it.

No, i'm not kidding. When the game originally entered EA the companions acted like how you're requesting they act: uninterested mostly, if not also fully antagonistic bc the characters were stressed (aka tadpole) and didn't know the PC. But then people complained (like they're doing here, now), that companions needed to be more "likeable" and be nicer. So the devs changed it! You can even see them directly address this in one of the earliest updates.

Plus, romance progresses at the rate that characters want it to? Like if you, as the player, dont want to get with someone who hits on you in act 1, don't? The characters have "agency" over their actions just like you have control over your PC. You don't need to have agency over other the NPC's actions, just like you don't have any over mine and I don't have any over yours (other than as requested ofc)

Part of building romance is focusing on character. These characters (for the most part) will flirt with you if they like you. That's good, at least imo, bc romance shouldn't be an "insert gift/quest output intimacy" relationship a la Mass Effect. Plus I think comparing romance in these two instances is even worst bc in Mass Effect the companions fall in love with Shepherd, who is incredibly defined outside of your specific choices (which are pretty much good/bad aligned). Tav can be so diverse in terms of background, class, alignment, and character, you couldn't make the same logical leap that, at base, whoever you pick would be down for Tav (even if that's how it squares up at the end).

[Dead Boy]

Originally posted by Just Endi:

Originally posted by Dead Boy:

It's just frustration in the face of dishonesty. You ask for examples of discussions about gameplay mechanics where people like you haven't needlessly insulted, but ONLY if the post didn't involve romance mechanics. More than just dishonesty, it's intellectual dishonesty. The issue is, I see through your game because you're a creature driven solely by emotion, devoid of a hint of logic.

And yes, I won't stop being rude; I was being nice at the beginning before people like you bombarded me with unwarranted hate and insults.

its not dishonesty if you paint it like the political debate started because people were accusing people of being bigots in unrelated conversations, and i ask you for an example, and the one example you have is a conversation that was intrinsically linked to the political debate (that'd already been happening for days prior) and the comments were already rife with it

What's political about "I don't understand why sane people expressing themselves get insulted"?

The only politics in that thread were the righteous knights, like you once again, who turned this debate centered on a GAMEPLAY MECHANIC into a debate about homophobia and the LGBT community.

Once again, these are posts etched into the Steam platform. The truth is right in front of your eyes, it will always be available, yet you will always refuse to see it.

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by Shakoris:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

No, this is enough now, I'm tired of this accusation without proof. Without my own actual words being used, rather than the circular reasoning of you heard somebody else say the same thing when you came into the thread.

You've put this much energy into fighting it, it's time to "put up or shut up" as they say. Present the evidence, or back down.

I have a word for people like her. Delusional. I mean she's been banned before. She can't take accountability for her actions either.

I think everybody knows if there was even a hint of evidence in my post history of me being right-wing, she'd have found it and beat me over the head with it by now.

She doesn't realise that the blind, unethical pride that is preventing her from backing down is exactly the kind of thing I criticised about the far left. Ironically, she could have proven me wrong by admitting she was wrong and showing some humility. I think that ship has likely sailed now, again, due to the sunk cost fallacy.

[Jeysie]

Originally posted by Shakoris:

I mean she's been banned before.

FYI I was banned for:

1. Calling out someone who explicitly stated they were killing characters for being "gay"

2. Calling out someone making explicitly biphobic comments.

3. Calling out the mods for the above (among other equally lopsided bans/enforcements I saw happen to other people).

Originally posted by Shakoris:

She can't take accountability for her actions either.

My accountability for getting banned for calling out bigotry and lopsided modding?

[Jeysie]

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

I think everybody knows if there was even a hint of evidence in my post history of me being right-wing

So we're just gaslighting the multiple people in this thread calling out your comments as right-wing magically doesn't real?

[FLU]

Originally posted by Tech-Priest:

Trust me, we all knew it was the game design that was the issue.

The cult of the woke will never admit anything they value is flawed.

as long as you buy videogames currently, you are supporting the pink economy. Normal people are the problem for propping up the pink economy. This whole thing reminds me of the COD MW2 meme where everyone said they were gonna boycott it, and then they all ended up playing it anyway.

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

Either prove that I am right wing with an actual quote of mine, or back down from your untenable position.

This thread.

Gaslighting this thread magically didn't happen just proves me correct about you.

"This thread" is not a quote of mine, and isn't right-wing. If the evidence of me being right-wing is in this very thread, it should be even easier for you to find and quote.

Quote it or back down. I will not let you wriggle out of this, you realise that, right?

[Shakoris]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by Shakoris:

I mean she's been banned before.

FYI I was banned for:

1. Calling out someone who explicitly stated they were killing characters for being "gay"

2. Calling out someone making explicitly biphobic comments.

3. Calling out the mods for the above (among other equally lopsided bans/enforcements I saw happen to other people).

Originally posted by Shakoris:

She can't take accountability for her actions either.

My accountability for getting banned for calling out bigotry and lopsided modding?

Lying isn't good. You got banned for calling everyone a bigot apparently.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

At some point Jeysie realised they literally cannot back up the accusation that I am right wing

Entire thread: Multiple examples of multiple people explaining at length to you why your comments are right-wing.

SnuffSaid: "Yeah, so if we just pretend that all didn't actually happen, Jeysie can't prove her point."

Why do people do this sort of openly and flagrantly dishonest nonsense? Actual question.

He's holding positions that are more commonly associated with right now.

However the left and right political axis isn't about pro and anti LGBT and those who think it is need to get over themselves.

Depending on where you are in the world you'll have old fart communists who think homosexuality is immoral, harmful to children, who are either outright communists who want communist glory days back or are heavily involved into far left hardliner socialist labor unions.

[Jeysie]

Originally posted by Dead Boy:

Once again, these are posts etched into the Steam platform.

Yes! They are! Which is why I don't understand the people who have the 24/7/365 gaslighting routine about them going on!

[SnuffSaid]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

I think everybody knows if there was even a hint of evidence in my post history of me being right-wing

So we're just gaslighting the multiple people in this thread calling out your comments as right-wing magically doesn't real?

Quote the comments they referred to.

Either prove your case or back down.

I. Will. Not. Let. You. Off. The. Hook.

[Dank Sidious]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:

I think everybody knows if there was even a hint of evidence in my post history of me being right-wing

So we're just gaslighting the multiple people in this thread calling out your comments as right-wing magically doesn't real?

Do you know how you can fight this gaslighting. Just quote the posts directly and show us what you mean by right wing post. I'm very curious myself.

[Shakoris]

Originally posted by Jeysie:

Originally posted by Dead Boy:

Once again, these are posts etched into the Steam platform.

Yes! They are! Which is why I don't understand the people who have the 24/7/365 gaslighting routine about them going on!

I can't wait until you get someone fired from a job for defamation and you get arrested because that's exactly what you are doing