Did they Nerf the Danse Macarbe spell!!??

[93@*&^%jdttk36FGT2d@lt%(fjs569]

So I've been using this spell and it's is VERY powerful! So powerful that I was able to kill a pretty hard boss. But after the latest update it seems as if the spell has been nerfed. This is a spell that before the update let me summon 6 ghouls with around 44 hitpoints and it was a level 6 spell. Now it's only a level 5 spell and can only summon 4 ghouls with 22 hitpoints! Is this a bug or did they nerf the Hell out of the spell?!

[dustin1280]

Can you cast it at level 6 for 5 ghouls? Does it work like that?

[Ultraviper]

that sucks. I just got the spell last night and got to use it two whole times before the patch

[93@*&^%jdttk36FGT2d@lt%(fjs569]

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Can you cast it at level 6 for 5 ghouls? Does it work like that?

Yep. At least you used to be able too. From what I can tell from the most recent patch notes they have indeed nerfed it. It was a bit OP but I can also confirm some new issues with the spell too.
In addition to only being a level 5 spell now and only being able to summon 4 ghouls.
YOU CAN NO LONGER CONTROL THE GHOULS! So basically the spell is completely worthless. It saved me many times being able to position the ghouls in a fight. Now you can't even do that with it. They automatically move and attack. Hell, I can't even unsommon them out of combat now! I could honestly understand the nerf do to how powerful the spell is. But I do not understand making them uncontrollable! I hope that part is just a bug or something on my end.
Here's a patch note about the spell from Larian. "Made adjustments to balance Danse Macabre and fixed the School of Necromancy version to summon creatures correctly again."
https://baldursgate3.game/news/patch-1-now-live_87

[cyan10101]

glad I got to use it before the nerf. I am at the end of my first playthrough in the final part of act 3. I used my ghouls strategically so many times though. In the cazador fight, I moved them to block 5 of the ritual marks, so he wasn't getting all 6 life buffs. Now you won't be able to do that.

[WcW]

Aw no more broken ghoul bang bus for you

[Meister Wolfi]

That you can only summon 4 ghouls instead of 6: ok, I can deal with that.
But the AI behind the ghouls is just crap. I summon the 4 ghouls close to the opponent and the ghouls think to themselves:
Oh, 20 meters away is a much nicer opponent. I use spurt/dash, run over and get killed by an opportunity attack. Noice!

[Verde]

Originally posted by Meister Wolfi:

That you can only summon 4 ghouls instead of 6: ok, I can deal with that.
But the AI behind the ghouls is just crap. I summon the 4 ghouls close to the opponent and the ghouls think to themselves:
Oh, 20 meters away is a much nicer opponent. I use spurt, run over and get killed by an opportunity attack. Noice!

To be fair, their brain is quite literally rotten xD

[cyan10101]

I am in one of the big fights in act 3 final section. I have had the ghouls pass 4 of their turns so far, when the enemy is further than a dash movement. So while my party has been moving up fighting enemies, 3 of the ghouls are just chilling back where the battle started. Not even helpful to soak up attacks!

[Callan]

Yea I’m not gonna lie I played this game mostly so I could be a necromancer and have an army of undead and the fact that they are nerfing the endgame necromancy spell in a single player/coop game is ridiculous. There already isn’t that many options for late game necromancy. And honestly the spell wasn’t that op in late game. Most enemy’s do around 20-40 damage a hit in normal mode so they weren’t even that op. Horrible decision I hope they not only rectify it but also consider adding an actually late game for necromancy.

[Ba-La]

I think remove the paralyze and change to long rest per cast will be reasonable better or atleast more balanced , I do like the ai change tho , instead wasting time for 6 individual command.

[wei270]

Originally posted by Ba-La:

I think remove the paralyze and change to long rest per cast will be reasonable better or atleast more balanced , I do like the ai change tho , instead wasting time for 6 individual command.

well being able to command them you self makes it kinda op. because as a player you can do alot of cheese with 6 disposable units that is quite strong as well.

[Husker_85]

Originally posted by 93@*&^%jdttk36FGT2d@lt%(fjs569:

Originally posted by dustin1280:

Can you cast it at level 6 for 5 ghouls? Does it work like that?

Yep. At least you used to be able too. From what I can tell from the most recent patch notes they have indeed nerfed it. It was a bit OP but I can also confirm some new issues with the spell too.
In addition to only being a level 5 spell now and only being able to summon 4 ghouls.
YOU CAN NO LONGER CONTROL THE GHOULS! So basically the spell is completely worthless. It saved me many times being able to position the ghouls in a fight. Now you can't even do that with it. They automatically move and attack. Hell, I can't even unsommon them out of combat now! I could honestly understand the nerf do to how powerful the spell is. But I do not understand making them uncontrollable! I hope that part is just a bug or something on my end.
Here's a patch note about the spell from Larian. "Made adjustments to balance Danse Macabre and fixed the School of Necromancy version to summon creatures correctly again."
https://baldursgate3.game/news/patch-1-now-live_87

With my understanding of the summons in the game is kind of makes sense why they changed it. When you summon minions, they either need to have a certain degree of intelligence or a direct psionic link in order to be directly controlled, and the spell doesn't provide for that. Being able to summon 4 mid-level mobs with one spell and then control them would be pretty OP. Imagine having four opportunities to shove a strong boss off a cliff in addition to your four party members.

[Shaalanaar]

I'm ok with the nerf for the most part. The spell was super OP. We should be able to control the undead though, that change makes the spell kind of garbage.

[RaviWolf]

There's a mod that just released that restores it to its pre-patch glory.
https://www.nexusmods.com/baldursgate3/mods/1492

[Shug]

it's pretty useless now, but it was broken before with undead ward so *shrug*