Yurgir question (spoilers)

[GoreTiger]

I'm in the second act, talking to Yurgir in shar's temple. Is there no way to get him out of his contract?
I found the secret with the rats, but it won't give me the option to tell him.
I killed the rats and the last person, but Rapheal just gets him on a technicality.
I spent almost an hour leading the last justicar up to where Yurgir was and had him kill it (eventually) and yet rapheal just ignored the fact that he did.
Is there no route that gets him completely out of it? I was hoping if I helped him then I could get him as an ally. (And his pet panther)

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

I just um... murder them all because they are... demons.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by ❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃:

I just um... murder them all because they are... demons.

I didn't kill him because I was hoping two things.
1. It would allow me to get a 1 up on Rapheal and gain an ally in the future.
2. I might be able to call in a favor from Yurgir in the future.

[Witz3nd]

I ended up convincing him the only way out of the contract was to have him and his pets kill themselves to free him. This got me out a huge battle, but also I’m an Astarion lover so it furthers the quest with his story line.

[Morgian]

He was always hostile to me, so I could not speak to him, even if Raphael implies it.

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by Witz3nd:

I ended up convincing him the only way out of the contract was to have him and his pets kill themselves to free him. This got me out a huge battle, but also I’m an Astarion lover so it furthers the quest with his story line.

How did you manage that? I didn't have the option to convince him of that but I did manage to convince his pet to turn against him.

[Vexillarius]

Pretty sure killing the rat guy before you talk to him is causing you the issue. That breaks the contract and you want to convince him he is stuck in the contact. See what i'm getting at

[GoreTiger]

Originally posted by Vexillarius:

Pretty sure killing the rat guy before you talk to him is causing you the issue. That breaks the contract and you want to convince him he is stuck in the contact. See what i'm getting at

Thats not what I want tho, I want to FREE him of the contract in the hopes he becomes a potential future ally, Or at the very least to get back at rapheal. I've already tried leading the rat guy to him and having him kil him. Rapheal just ignores it and claims it still counts as outside help. I can't talk to him at all about what the rats really are after discovering the book/site/talking to the one rat.
I'm asking is there any actual way to free him from the contract, or are we basically forced to either keep him trapped in it by helping or kill him?

[Lego Yoda]

I don't believe you can actually free him, I think your only options are to either kill the Dark Justiciar for him. Only for him to then after have a new contract forced onto him by Raphael, or to kill him. And then have him pretty much respawn in the House of Hope in act 3. I'm currently split right now, and I'm trying to figure out if I can just kill him and ally him later or if I should spare him now. I'll probably just flip a coin 3 times and see what I get.

[Tokogawa [GER]]

Originally posted by Morgian:

He was always hostile to me, so I could not speak to him, even if Raphael implies it.

You have to follow the Phasebeast directly. Had the same "Problem" in my first two Playthroughts

[Henry-NYC]

1) Approaching from him in a "wrong" way, he'll be hostile immediately when spotting your presence (does not have to see you). No talk! - I learned this the hardest way, bc it was in Honor mode.

2) To convince him into killing himself, you must first of all pass a hidden check to spot the flaws in his contract. Failing that, you will not see such options during the conversation.

3) He can make him your ally later, no matter what action you take in Act 2 right now. Making him die once here just makes it harder to get him as an ally later - for obvious reasons!

4) If the rats are dead when you approach him peacefully and talk to him, he will always leave, no matter what you say. In this case, the only way to kill him for his weapon is NOT to talk (again), just attack. I learned this also the hardest way - in Tactacian mode - I reloaded several times and could not find a single dialog path to making him kill him. After the final reload was, of course, no talk, just attack, that was it.

5) OP - you are fine. He can be your ally one way or the other later.

[GriffinPilgrim]

Originally posted by ❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃:

I just um... murder them all because they are... demons.

Devils. Important distinction.

[Wayne]

This thread was quite old before the recent post, so we're locking it to prevent confusion.