Can someone explain Karlach?

[Akela]

I play a mixed class between barbarian and warrior. I know it's not the meta but it's the way I find the most fun to my liking, I find it versatile. When the fight is fast I play dual wield warrior and do as much damage as I can. When the fight is long I equip a two-handed weapon, I rage and I endure. The truth is that I don't find the game difficult, so far I have not encountered any impossible fight.

The thing is that when I have Karlach in my party I feel like I'm cheating.

With my custom character when playing as a warrior I tend to deal an average of 12-20 damage per attack (the last attack is with the secondary so it is usually 6-9 on average). When I do it as a barbarian I deal 9-16.

With Karlach the average damage is 20-26. WTF

In a good streak I have reached one hit three enemies in a row.

This is ridiculous when I compare it with for example Shadowheart whose physical attacks (not spells), inflict an average of 6-8.

What is the explanation of this? not from lore, not "oh she hits hard because she is badass".

Clarification: with average I mean what the numbers usually give me, this can change subjectively in many things, but Karlach continues hiting everything above 20 XD

[Zaris]

You know you can just go ingame and open the console (right bottom corner) and hover over the attack messages to see the attack roll and how the dmg is calculated with all modifiers.

In general you can do something like that with barb / fighter for dmg, both havin great weapon master active and 20 strength:

- fighter: greatsword 2d6 + 2 magic + 5 str + 10 gwm = 24 dmg / hit
-> 6 attacks hasted + 1 bonus attack if you crit/kill = 7 * 24 = ~175 dmg

- barb: greatsword 2d6 + 2 magic + 5 str + 10 gwm + 3 rage bonus = 27 dmg / hit
-> 5 attacks hasted -> 5*27 = ~125 dmg

You also mentioned using 2 weapons which needs at least the two hand weapon fighting skill otherwise your str modifier won'T be applied to the offhand weapon but you can only do 1 offhand attack while having 6 mainhand attacks as fighter later on @lvl11 with haste buffed so using a greatsword is in general better (one hand weapons also don't get the great weapon master dmg buff -> more dmg lost).

- fighter: d6 shortsword + 2 magic + 5 str = 10,5
-> 6 mainhand hasted + 1 offhand attack = 7 attacks * 10,5 = ~73 dmg

Congratulation you only do 40% of the possible dmg output of a fighter using dual wield.

[Hayes]

Multiclassing WILL nerf your effectiveness with the specific classes.. can you make some crazy multi builds ? sure.. but you will lose out on abilities and features of classes and subclasses which will make you inferior to that specific thing compared to a pure class

[Jack the Roamer]

Originally posted by Hayes:

Multiclassing WILL nerf your effectiveness with the specific classes.. can you make some crazy multi builds ? sure.. but you will lose out on abilities and features of classes and subclasses which will make you inferior to that specific thing compared to a pure class

Not sure what you mean by nerf, in terms of what, just damage output or fun abilities? Multiclassing is vastly superior in terms of damage output, even just a 2 dip can turn warlock into a wrecking ball.

[Discotooth™]

You are asking why somebody with strength and no multiclass in barbarian is doing more damage than someone with less strength and multiclassing?


uhm

[Stix_09]

fyi
Shadowheart is a healer/spell caster, would not expect her to deal same melee damage, thats not how I use this char myself, far to valuable to use her in that role.

each char in a party has a dif role in my game, these comparisons are the problem with your argument, nonsensical.

[Murderhobo]

Originally posted by Akela:

I play a mixed class between barbarian and warrior. I know it's not the meta but it's the way I find the most fun to my liking, I find it versatile. When the fight is fast I play dual wield warrior and do as much damage as I can. When the fight is long I equip a two-handed weapon, I rage and I endure. The truth is that I don't find the game difficult, so far I have not encountered any impossible fight.

The thing is that when I have Karlach in my party I feel like I'm cheating.

With my custom character when playing as a warrior I tend to deal an average of 12-20 damage per attack (the last attack is with the secondary so it is usually 6-9 on average). When I do it as a barbarian I deal 9-16.

With Karlach the average damage is 20-26. WTF

In a good streak I have reached one hit three enemies in a row.

This is ridiculous when I compare it with for example Shadowheart whose physical attacks (not spells), inflict an average of 6-8.

What is the explanation of this? not from lore, not "oh she hits hard because she is badass".

Clarification: with average I mean what the numbers usually give me, this can change subjectively in many things, but Karlach continues hiting everything above 20 XD

I mean, my Karlach is STR 20 and has yet to outdo my Vengeance Paladin on straight up dps, Killed the Avatar of Myrkul in 2 turns with him alone.

[mutantspicy]

I dunno. I like putting a halberd in her hands, along with her polearm master feat which yes I know the rage bonus is bugged, but she manages to be a slaughter house by mah girl has Str 22.