Shadowheart and Nightsong - somehow i dont get what other peoples can choose here

[Amarant Fox]

Hello.

I know its a lot but i would be thankful if you really read it. I say this because i always get answers like "you need relationship" etc but all infos i had written before. So please, everything needed should be in here.

I'm having lots of fun with this game so far. But currently i've stumbled upon a, for me, gamebreaking situation where i cannot progress unless i choose an option i dont want and that would lead the story into a way i don't want.

The issue is the "choice" that Shadowheart seems to have to choose when its about the release or killing of Nightsong. I've watched dozens of videos, I spoiled my fun watching those because obviously all of them contain heavy plot spoilers. But i hoped that i can get an answer to my issue, which isn't the case sadly.
All videos i've seen show the choice Shadowheart has to do, showing a discussion between shadowheart and the main character when its about to either free or kill Nightsong. I don't have this choice. That whole scene doesn't not appear in my game. I have it like this:

- I went through all the trials for Shadowheart

- my relation to Shadowheart is nearly maxed out and she counts as my girlfriend, ive spent nights with her etc.

- i have done all other quests in Act II

When i enter the area where Balthasar is (the bottom of that pit, where Nightsong is "jailed"), i choose to kill Balthasar. When that is done Nightsong is in her "jail". When i talk to her now i have the option to let her go or kill her.
Nowhere at this point there is any decision or interaction from Shadowheart. Its only on me what i do here, i don't get a cutscene.
If i kill Nightsong, Shadowheart simply does nothing.
If i don't kill her, Shadowheart will leave my party!!!

The moment when she talks about her feelings and where i can persuade her not to, it never appears for me. In this case, as soon im out of the dungeon a cutscene opens where Shadowheart says "I had a choice to make down there! But you made it for me", something along those lines. But like entioned, i never had any choice.

This also doesnt change if i let Shadowheart speak to Nightsong. What am I missing?

Again, my relation to Shadowheart (that bar that shows the relationship) is nearly on maximum/to the right. I would guess it's on around 95%. Which is the highest any character in my party has.

On what does it depend if this discussion and choice appears? This is really a gamebreaking thing as both outcomes are not what i want. And i see no way to get to the normal ways to deal with this situation, as one can see in all the videos.

Ive even seen videos where Lazeal could make this choice and take the spear away from Shadowheart. Nothing of those things happen for me.
Thanks for any tips.

What could i be doing wrong? I dont want Shadowheart gone. And i also dont want to kill Nightsong. ANd that seems a fair choice, seeing that this seems to be very possible if the game would progress as seen in videos.

Any help would really be nice, since this is a major thing for me.

[Xype]

Publicado originalmente por Murderhobo:

Don't persuade her, tell her her Lady Shar waifu is garbage tier when talking about religion and she ends up making the right decision on her own.

You don't even have to do that, just keep your mouth shut and shadowheart does the good thing on her own, and this is where you learn what was wiped from her memory....

[bunkerking]

Publicado originalmente por Amarant Fox:

Meh. Yeah, the fight can be hard. I helped it a bit my placing all the skeletons on the same place and bombard that spot. That gets rid of them quickly ^^ But not sure about whats possible in tact mode, im in normal mode.

Ive tried both, let Shadowheart and my Char iniziate, its the basically same outcome.

If its really about dialogue options earlier, where she talks about Religion etc, man.... that was many hours past. No idea where i would even have to get back in game to correct that. Has to be dozens of hours then.

Oh shoot, well talk about impactufull choices. We're so conditioned to accept shoddy RPG's that when a real one comes along, we don't really think of overarching personal spiritual thematics in characters.

Personally, I had to go along with it, TBH, I'm sure in the end you can still defeat evil. And reality, that is -- the world -- is kind of a wicked place. If there is a spiritual order, you have to maybe wonder if the baddies won some battles along the way... and/or maybe what we perceive as an evil choice or outcome ... is for the greater good? ;p

The battle was a huge pain on Tactician, honestly. I actually went in as 2/3 lvl 6 and I had to go back and level up to 7 and it was still hard as ****. I basically had to get a good lick on Belthazar before initiating dialogue and I didnt move the party into the main arena, I left them in the last hovering platform and then I had them teleport as the battle evolved.

One you have disadvantage against all the enemies on higher terrain and with all of those enemies you can't really move afterwards unless you have Misty Step or teleporting arrows. thats really what makes the battle nearly impossible. Its the sheer number of enemies and then Belthazar teleporting to higher ground and out of reach allowing him to isolate targets, ie the most forferont party member. But you can actually avoid all this by just not descending to the main arena int he very beginning.

[Bishi]

Publicado originalmente por Tijger:

I never have that discussion with Shadowheart, I tell her its her choice to make and every time she chooses to throw the spear away.

This would be interesting to test on a future run with low affinity for the MC. I was really surprised when she did this on my first play-though. If she knows love and affection she won't do it on her own it seems.

[Tijger]

Publicado originalmente por Radical_Inu:

Publicado originalmente por Tijger:

I never have that discussion with Shadowheart, I tell her its her choice to make and every time she chooses to throw the spear away.

This would be interesting to test on a future run with low affinity for the MC. I was really surprised when she did this on my first play-though. If she knows love and affection she won't do it on her own it seems.

I usually have her in the green with regards to approval so maybe thats a factor. But again, thats depended on your playstyle and interactions with her, of course.

I honestly had no idea what she would choose but I figured I'd take the risk.

[bunkerking]

So basically if you dont influence Shadowheart, she turns out to be a world wrecking Shar worshipping little zealot? ;p

Lets see if she redeems herself. "The plot thickens"

[Bishi]

Publicado originalmente por vagabundo:

So basically if you dont influence Shadowheart, she turns out to be a little world wrecking Shar worshipping zealot ;p

Lets see if she redeems herself. "The plot thickens"

No. If you encourage her beliefs and support her during the trials she will make the right decision on her own if you are in a romance with her. Even then, if you tell her to kill the Nightsong; She becomes Shar's chosen and is tasked with rebuilding the church and essentially killing all current believers that have twisted the faith like the Thorms and Viconia. Sharran Shadowheart is not as clearly evil or wrong as many think, it is worth experiencing like Minthara outside of the mind control influence.

[bunkerking]

Publicado originalmente por vagabundo:

Publicado originalmente por Radical_Inu:

No. If you encourage her beliefs and support her during the trials she will make the right decision on her own if you are in a romance with her. Even then, if you tell her to kill the Nightsong; She becomes Shar's chosen and is tasked with rebuilding the church and essentially killing all current believers that have twisted the faith like the Thorms and Viconia. Sharran Shadowheart is not as clearly evil or wrong as many think, it is worth experiencing like Minthara outside of the mind control influence.

"If you're in romance" with her. Key word. I didnt bother romancing in the game, at all. I basically spacebar'd my way through all of the romantic conversations. SO basically my Shadowheart doesn't know love? ;,( Thats why she killed the whole world (j/k)(

I think you're right, i dont think Shar is evil, even if her archetype is darkness, shadow. I'm actually more intrigued now to see how the journey ends after Nightsong is killed by SH.

[Amarant Fox]

Guys :-) I got it!

Its really the spear... Seems it needs to be equipped already before fighting Balthazar.

Either this or it was a weird bug. I simply loaded my last save, the very same i used for the last try. Equipped the spear right before going into the pit and then just did the very same like last time.
Went in, let Shadowheart start talk to Balthazar, killed him, let shadowheart talk to Nightsong and then finally my character started to intervene and that misterious dialouge with the "choice" appeared.

Man, thanks everyone for the tips :-)

So basically, the only thing different is that this time i equipped the spear before Balthazar, not after him/before talking to Nightsong.

[Markus Reese]

Good to hear! Glad it was able to progress the way you wanted.

[bunkerking]

Sweet.

[❃ Galiäna Krüger ❃]

you let Shadowheart talk and don't stop her making her choice, that is - up to the point if you want to spare Nightsong or nah, you interrupt her every dialogue with Nightsong you done bruh

[JOK3R]

i have another problem with the nightong spear i got the spear but i sent it to camp now im going to confront balthazar and shadowheart prayed and asked to go and get the spear from the library wich i already did at an early stage. but i cant find the spear in my inventory or in any of my chest and ive tried to go back to the library and place the teaching of loss : the nightsinger on the altar again and go and get the spear again but nothing happens?

[JOK3R]

sry to bother you guys i found the spear in my chests after all must have been the stress of losing it that made me miss it in my camps inventory.. all is good time to kill Balthazar again and she where the story takes us:)

[UK_John]

Your all lucky you got through the three trials, the sneak one and secret path one are impossible!

[Markus Reese]

Publicado originalmente por UK_John:

Your all lucky you got through the three trials, the sneak one and secret path one are impossible!

Not so bad. They are a bit clever. Spoiler for tips on the two.

Sneak: For the sneak one, be sure to go into turn based mode. Shift space on keyboard. Also, don't need the whole party, just shadowheart can go and do it

Secret path: Notice the unusual tiles on the floor in front of the blood altar...