Shadowheart and Nightsong - somehow i dont get what other peoples can choose here

[Amarant Fox]

Hello.

I know its a lot but i would be thankful if you really read it. I say this because i always get answers like "you need relationship" etc but all infos i had written before. So please, everything needed should be in here.

I'm having lots of fun with this game so far. But currently i've stumbled upon a, for me, gamebreaking situation where i cannot progress unless i choose an option i dont want and that would lead the story into a way i don't want.

The issue is the "choice" that Shadowheart seems to have to choose when its about the release or killing of Nightsong. I've watched dozens of videos, I spoiled my fun watching those because obviously all of them contain heavy plot spoilers. But i hoped that i can get an answer to my issue, which isn't the case sadly.
All videos i've seen show the choice Shadowheart has to do, showing a discussion between shadowheart and the main character when its about to either free or kill Nightsong. I don't have this choice. That whole scene doesn't not appear in my game. I have it like this:

- I went through all the trials for Shadowheart

- my relation to Shadowheart is nearly maxed out and she counts as my girlfriend, ive spent nights with her etc.

- i have done all other quests in Act II

When i enter the area where Balthasar is (the bottom of that pit, where Nightsong is "jailed"), i choose to kill Balthasar. When that is done Nightsong is in her "jail". When i talk to her now i have the option to let her go or kill her.
Nowhere at this point there is any decision or interaction from Shadowheart. Its only on me what i do here, i don't get a cutscene.
If i kill Nightsong, Shadowheart simply does nothing.
If i don't kill her, Shadowheart will leave my party!!!

The moment when she talks about her feelings and where i can persuade her not to, it never appears for me. In this case, as soon im out of the dungeon a cutscene opens where Shadowheart says "I had a choice to make down there! But you made it for me", something along those lines. But like entioned, i never had any choice.

This also doesnt change if i let Shadowheart speak to Nightsong. What am I missing?

Again, my relation to Shadowheart (that bar that shows the relationship) is nearly on maximum/to the right. I would guess it's on around 95%. Which is the highest any character in my party has.

On what does it depend if this discussion and choice appears? This is really a gamebreaking thing as both outcomes are not what i want. And i see no way to get to the normal ways to deal with this situation, as one can see in all the videos.

Ive even seen videos where Lazeal could make this choice and take the spear away from Shadowheart. Nothing of those things happen for me.
Thanks for any tips.

What could i be doing wrong? I dont want Shadowheart gone. And i also dont want to kill Nightsong. ANd that seems a fair choice, seeing that this seems to be very possible if the game would progress as seen in videos.

Any help would really be nice, since this is a major thing for me.

[Alex_x86]

Sounds like a bug. Or maybe did you try to equip the spear on Shadowheart? I had that spear equipped on her and all triggered there.

[Bishi]

Well if you have a save before entering the Shadowfell, the easiest way to fix this would be to go back and kill Balthazar in his room. Sounds like the bug probably relates to him as I have had issues with him before, saving the Nightsong without fighting him leaving him bugged talking to air.

I did an goblin siding Tav run and was shocked when I let Shadowheart choose for herself on what to do with the Nightsong. So it should default to being (mostly) being her decision if you brought her.

[Amarant Fox]

Thanks guys. I made it already twice, had a save from some hours earlier, where i didnt do some things in the morgue and before i killed (sorry, have a translation issue here with his name, no idea how that guy is called in english, i will only write the direct translation) "the one that was". He has a white raven with him. Upper east side of Shadowlands).

But the hint with the spear, i equipped it after killing balthazar but before talking to Nightsong.
I may do another rerun with it equipped before i go in there. Thanks t´for that one, i hope it will work ^^ Would be cool.

[wei270]

i didn't equip the spear i just had it on shadow heart when i go in. and there is a cut scen where essentally you can choose to influence or not influence shadown hearst decision.

[Murderhobo]

Originally posted by Amarant Fox:

When i enter the area where Balthasar is (the bottom of that pit, where Nightsong is "jailed"), i choose to kill Balthasar.

Murder Balthasar before going down the pit, fight is pretty easy with a Sussurr Bloom.

Originally posted by Amarant Fox:

The moment when she talks about her feelings and where i can persuade her not to, it never appears for me. In this case, as soon im out of the dungeon a cutscene opens where Shadowheart says "I had a choice to make down there! But you made it for me", something along those lines. But like entioned, i never had any choice.

Don't persuade her, tell her her Lady Shar waifu is garbage tier when talking about religion and she ends up making the right decision on her own.

Originally posted by Amarant Fox:

This also doesnt change if i let Shadowheart speak to Nightsong. What am I missing?

Seems like a bug.


Try killing Balthasar before he enters the Shadowfell, Act 2 was pretty janky for me as well during the fights.

[Malthar]

dont do the trials FOR HER, let HER do them. might be part of it

[bunkerking]

I had the same thing happened and I kinda just rolled with it. I'm playing on tactician and this has been the hardest battle in the game BY FAR. It's the only battle where everyone in my party died except Shadowheart and the way everything played out... I kinda just had to roll with it. It felt fitting in the end, on many levels.

But yes,I didn't get ANY dialogue option either, it just went straight into a cut scene, and I thought it was because Shadowheart initiated dialogue. I actually fought that battle to spare her to begin with, otherwise I would've opted out in the beginning, there's a dialogue choice, I'm sure you know, to move past without fighting Belthazar and his undead minions. And it's worth noting I didn't have the Nightsong slayer spear equipped just in my inventory.

But now I need camp supplies ot get a long rest to go back to the Moonrise tower, and I cant go to the INn becaause ***SPOILER ALERT*** STOP READING IF YOU DONT WANT A SPOILER ***


.... everyone succumbed to the shadow curse at the inn thus I gotta figure out how to recoup camp supplies to keep fighting. All my spell slots are depleted.

[Bishi]

[quote=Murderhobo;3819669231697468661

Originally posted by Amarant Fox:

The moment when she talks about her feelings and where i can persuade her not to, it never appears for me. In this case, as soon im out of the dungeon a cutscene opens where Shadowheart says "I had a choice to make down there! But you made it for me", something along those lines. But like entioned, i never had any choice.

Don't persuade her, tell her her Lady Shar waifu is garbage tier when talking about religion and she ends up making the right decision on her own.

[/quote]

Not enough people give Shadowheart enough credit. If you are in a romance with her and encourage her Sharran beliefs she will on her own accord throw the spear aside. Love itself is enough to make her doubt. (Ofc I reloaded and told her to do it instead)

[Amarant Fox]

Originally posted by Malthar:

dont do the trials FOR HER, let HER do them. might be part of it

yes, i had let her do them. Sure ^^

Originally posted by wei270:

i didn't equip the spear i just had it on shadow heart when i go in. and there is a cut scen where essentally you can choose to influence or not influence shadown hearst decision.

Man, you destroyed my hope ^^

Originally posted by vagabundo:

I had the same thing happened and I kinda just rolled with it. I'm playing on tactician and this has been the hardest battle in the game BY FAR. It's the only battle where everyone in my party died except Shadowheart and the way everything played out... I kinda just had to roll with it. It felt fitting in the end, on many levels. But yes,I didn't get the option either, and I thought it was because Shadowheart initiate dialogue. I actually fought that battle to spare her to begin with, otherwise I would've opted out in the beginning, there's a dialogue choice, I'm sure you know, to move past without fighting Belthazar and his undead minions. And it's worth noting I didn't have the Nightsong slayer spear equipped just in my inventory.

Meh. Yeah, the fight can be hard. I helped it a bit my placing all the skeletons on the same place and bombard that spot. That gets rid of them quickly ^^ But not sure about whats possible in tact mode, im in normal mode.

Ive tried both, let Shadowheart and my Char iniziate, its the basically same outcome.

If its really about dialogue options earlier, where she talks about Religion etc, man.... that was many hours past. No idea where i would even have to get back in game to correct that. Has to be dozens of hours then.

[Amarant Fox]

Originally posted by Radical_Inu:

[quote=Murderhobo;3819669231697468661


Don't persuade her, tell her her Lady Shar waifu is garbage tier when talking about religion and she ends up making the right decision on her own.

Well, thats thing. That dialouge never appears. I mean, she has talked about Religion here and there but that was way back. Not in this region even i think. At least not the last 15 hours. And especially not when in that fight with Balthasar etc. :-(

There is no dialouge with her during the whole 2 events (Balt/Nightsong). The only dialouge is when i kill Nightsong or Free her. So after both events are over. In which she either dispands party or is happy that shes dark justicician (or whatever its called in EN)

[Xype]

have her in the party when you go choose not to kill her, and let her make the choice... the getting mad over letting her go and leaving the party comes from you making that decision without her. She is upset you didn't let her make the decision as it was her trial.

[Markus Reese]

Several bigger posts here. So apologies if asking the obvious.

It read as though you spoke to nightsong using YOUR made character. Did you make Shadowheart the active character? Who is active affects who does the dialog. Leading party with Astarion? Astarion will talk to her. Make sure Shadowheart is who you are controlling and has Spear.

Below is a summary of my leadup to then.

For myself, I supported Shadowheart's opinion for whole of play up to the mausoleum. IE, never asked er to change and was polite. Played a good PC. Affinity not maxed, but up there. I killed Balthazar upon meeting for roleplay because defiled temple.

Affinity was not maxed, but close. For roleplay, she was also wearing dark Justiciar armor and helmet I found in play.

Edit: In dialog, I said is her choice, then was given some persuasions chances not to do it. Main thing was always respecting, not ordering.

[Xype]

Originally posted by Amarant Fox:

Originally posted by Radical_Inu:

Well, thats thing. That dialouge never appears. I mean, she has talked about Religion here and there but that was way back. Not in this region even i think. At least not the last 15 hours. And especially not when in that fight with Balthasar etc. :-(

There is no dialouge with her during the whole 2 events (Balt/Nightsong). The only dialouge is when i kill Nightsong or Free her. So after both events are over. In which she either dispands party or is happy that shes dark justicician (or whatever its called in EN)

Have her selected as the party following her when you jump down on the last platform and make sure she starts the dialogue, it will get you past this, that whole area is supposed to be shadowhearts challenge, if you don't let her do it she gets pissy about it. It is probably more about letting shadowheart approach nightsong after the balth fight, but I do it before just to make sure its all shadowheart, I also let shadowheart do all the gauntlet challenges.

[SoloQ]

That is not the definition of "game breaking" buckaroo. Take the consequences of how it plays out and roll with it. Or go far back enough in your saves to course correct.
I didn't start the dialogue with Shadowheart, I just didn't interfere when she made her decision. And she let the Nightsong live.
Unless you're playing Dark Urge Evil. Then she gladly kills her to be in favor of Shar and get's extra abilities.

[Tijger]

I never have that discussion with Shadowheart, I tell her its her choice to make and every time she chooses to throw the spear away.

But the plain fact is your choices have led to this point, the game doesnt break whichever way Shadowheart goes but your challenge might increase. Thats on you though