Counterspell is bugged????

[Nickel]

Whenever I have Wyll cast counterspell, the spells still go through (I'm towards the end of Act 3, and didn't notice this issue in my first playthrough).
Am I missing something, or is it bugged???????

[Recjawjind]

If its a higher level spell than your casting of counterspell, you have to succeed a check using your spellcasting modifier with a DC equal to 10 + the level of the spell, else your counterspell fails to stop it.

[Seven]

In order for counterspell to work properly you must use a spell slot at or above the spell being countered. Ex: Fireball is a level 3 spell, so a level 3 or higher counterspell will work.

[Shyba]

counterspell only 100% works on lvl X or lower spells (whatever spell level Counter is.. so in warlock wyll's case it's probably lvl 5) if it's a lvl 6 spell he has to roll to succeed.

but it's also possible warlock auto upcasting to max jsut bugs it out? so it still thinks it's 3

[Nickel]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

If its a higher level spell than your casting of counterspell, you have to succeed a check using your spellcasting modifier with a DC equal to 10 + the level of the spell, else your counterspell fails to stop it.

I had that thought (as I wasn't sure how 1 to 1 it was with the tabletop counterpart
makes sense (but it is a bit annoying lol)

[BurningFalcon]

I'm also not sure it works correctly.

I have the Staff of Interruption, which should give me a free use of a Lv5 Counterspell.
An enemy just cast a spell and I had multiple options to use Counterspell:
3rd Level Counterspell
4th Level Counterspell
5th Level Counterspell
6th Level Counterspell
Counterspell

I assumed, Counterspell would be my free use of the 5th Level from the statt, but then it failed to counter a Lv4 spell and the combat log stated it was a 3rd Level Counterspell.

I also once used Counterspell to counter a Fireball, but the Fireball still went off. The Combat Log only showed Lv3 Fireball, not an upcast one.
So I guess, upcasting doesn't work properly, and thus, Counterspell doesn't work properly either.

[Nickel]

Originally posted by BurningFalcon:

I'm also not sure it works correctly.

I have the Staff of Interruption, which should give me a free use of a Lv5 Counterspell.
An enemy just cast a spell and I had multiple options to use Counterspell:
3rd Level Counterspell
4th Level Counterspell
5th Level Counterspell
6th Level Counterspell
Counterspell

I assumed, Counterspell would be my free use of the 5th Level from the statt, but then it failed to counter a Lv4 spell and the combat log stated it was a 3rd Level Counterspell.

I also once used Counterspell to counter a Fireball, but the Fireball still went off. The Combat Log only showed Lv3 Fireball, not an upcast one.
So I guess, upcasting doesn't work properly, and thus, Counterspell doesn't work properly either.

...so I may not be completely stupid?

[BurningFalcon]

Originally posted by Nigmenog:

Originally posted by BurningFalcon:

I'm also not sure it works correctly.

I have the Staff of Interruption, which should give me a free use of a Lv5 Counterspell.
An enemy just cast a spell and I had multiple options to use Counterspell:
3rd Level Counterspell
4th Level Counterspell
5th Level Counterspell
6th Level Counterspell
Counterspell

I assumed, Counterspell would be my free use of the 5th Level from the statt, but then it failed to counter a Lv4 spell and the combat log stated it was a 3rd Level Counterspell.

I also once used Counterspell to counter a Fireball, but the Fireball still went off. The Combat Log only showed Lv3 Fireball, not an upcast one.
So I guess, upcasting doesn't work properly, and thus, Counterspell doesn't work properly either.

...so I may not be completely stupid?

I mean, we still could both be wrong and just imagining it. That being said, I didn't have that often a possibilty to even use counterspell, to be sure about it. (Being an Abjuration Wizard, I often save my companions from taking damage)

[JuanCJ]

From my experience no, it doesn't work well, I have just tried to counterspell a lvl 3 spell (and even lower formerly) and the spell didn't get countered. In addition, I lost the spell slot
And it's funny because it's bugged with the sorcerer because with Gale it does work well. So basically I have one spell less with the sorcerer... As if he didn't have a lack of them already

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by JuanCJ:

From my experience no, it doesn't work well, I have just tried to counterspell a lvl 3 spell (and even lower formerly) and the spell didn't get countered. In addition, I lost the spell slot
And it's funny because it's bugged with the sorcerer because with Gale it does work well. So basically I have one spell less with the sorcerer... As if he didn't have a lack of them already

They might have been upcast yknow?
Counterspell has always worked as intended for me.

[BurningFalcon]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Originally posted by JuanCJ:

From my experience no, it doesn't work well, I have just tried to counterspell a lvl 3 spell (and even lower formerly) and the spell didn't get countered. In addition, I lost the spell slot
And it's funny because it's bugged with the sorcerer because with Gale it does work well. So basically I have one spell less with the sorcerer... As if he didn't have a lack of them already

They might have been upcast yknow?
Counterspell has always worked as intended for me.

Problem is, the game doesn't tell you anything of that.

Enemy used Ray of Sickness, I use Counterspell.
Ray of Sickness is a LV1 spell, but it doesn't say anywhere, if it's upcasted or not.
You'd have to know the base-damage of each spell.
When looking at the damage it was 6d8, it normally has 2d8 +1d8 per upcast. This means it was probably cast Lv5. But it doesn't say anywhere.

At this moment, there should be a check to see if I can counter the spell or not.
There is NO roll listed anywhere in the combat log.


The log goes like this:
Me used Counterspell as a reaction to Enemy's action. (if I hover over Counterspell it says "will not trigger")
Enemy cast Ray of Sickness.
Me was hit for XX Damage
Me succeeded in a Saving Throw against Ray of Sickness
Me succeeded a Concentration Saving Throw
Me cast failed Counterspell on Enemy.

Except for the info of it not triggering, there is zero indication why. Ofc, one would assume I did not make the check to counter the spell of a higher level. BUt I want to see the according roll. If there is no roll in the log, I assume there was no check, this means the spell is bugged.

[Goodoo]

Note: I have all my reactions set to "Ask", so I get to choose whether to use it or not and which level of a reaction spell I want to cast. That being said...

I had the issue myself and can now confirm that it is not a problem of Counterspell itself. It is the game not properly showing, which level an enemie's spell is cast on.

I just had an enemy cast Fireball and the combat log and mouse over tooltip say this:

Enemy cast Fireball.

Fireball
Level 3 Evocation Spell
10-60 Damage
10d6 Fire

I checked the Fireball spell and indeed on third level it only deals 8d6 (8-48) fire damage. So while the game tells you the correct upcast effects - in this case the correct damage - it always shows the spell's basic level - in this case "Level 3". In truth though, the spell in the above example was cast at fith level. Scrolling through the combat log I did then find the following entry:

Tav cast Failed Counterspell.

The associated die roll isn't shown.

TLDR: The Counterspell reaction popup always shows the spell's basic level. If that spell is upcast, the window does show the correct effects for whatever level it is cast on.

Larian will hopefully fix this to show which level the spell is actually cast on. Until then the only thing we can do is to check the spell's effect, then lookup the spell's description from our own spellbook, a scroll or the internet, to figure out which level the enemie's spell is cast on and finally select the appropriate level to cast Counterspell.

[Nocturn]

Maybe not knowing casting lvl of enemy spell is normal? In tabletop, I guess, that's the case, making counterspell less OP

[BurningFalcon]

Originally posted by Nocturn:

Maybe not knowing casting lvl of enemy spell is normal? In tabletop, I guess, that's the case, making counterspell less OP

You don't know it beforehand that is true, but we should be able to tell afterwards in the combat log.
And if you use a Lv4 Counterspell and you fail on a Fireball, but the log doesn't show it was Lv5 or 6, but that it was Lv3, then that's when you think the spell doesn't work properly, which is why half of us here think/thought the spell is bugged.

[Goodoo]

Little update: You actually do know before, it's just incredibly easy to miss.

Whenever anyone upcasts a spell, check the upper right corner of the spell's popup, next to the spell's artwork. If the spell is upcast, there is a tiny upwards arrow there. It still doesn't tell you the exact level of the spell, but at the very least you will be able to tell if the spell is upcast at all. If it isn't, then the little upwards arrow symbol isn't there.