Why does Monk miss SOOOOOOOOO much?

[Raum]

Very beginning of the game. 13 straight misses. I though "what a fluke, Weird." Now I'm level 4 on this play through, and it's missing so much I started watching the combat log. Does monk roll attacks with a d10 instead of a 20? An unfathomable number of my attacks roll either 5 or 6. A statistically improbable amount.

Anyone else notice issues with Monks basic attacks? What is going on here? I tried playing Monk on my initial playthrough and it was so pathetic I swapped it very early for this very reason. Now, it's the same nonsense. So, what's going on?

[Recjawjind]

Turn off karmic dice
Respec to a strength based monk build
Take tavern brawler

Congrats, you now hit everything with a 95% chance.

[[OTS]EchoZenLogos]

No, I didn't notice issues with this in my play-through as a Monk that took 67 hours on the normal difficulty level. I hit enemies consistently within what should be statistically expected, which usually was pretty good.

Probably just was a fluke from a small sample size. There's no reason why you should be hitting rarely as a Monk - you should have good dexterity (unless you want to go strength instead, that's viable but gives you less defense) and therefore bonuses to chance to hit.

Or maybe it actually bugged. I didn't play with Karmic Dice on, but that shouldn't affect it much.

A lot of people will suggest going a strength tavern brawler build, but frankly that's 100% unnecessary and you can do extremely well without that. It gives you a bit of an edge in damage, but if you focus on Dexterity you can do very well with a bow (especially if you dip into another class for martial weapon proficiency and longbows) with extra mobility for hit and run tactics, running in for flurry of blows and the like. That kind of flexibility, plus the extra AC you can get from dexterity, makes a difference long-term.

[Tenacity]

Originally posted by LivingVitae:

Unless karmic dice are bugged, I don't know why you'd turn off. Computer dice are not random for a low number of rolls, end of story. They streak high and low while maintaining a uniform distribution over thousands of rolls. There should be control for that, and further it's common for DMs to fudge dice rolls to make the game more interesting. I don't get this pure dice rolls on PC at all, they just don't mimic reality.

karmic dice weights towards high results, meaning that AC becomes actively detrimental, as the enemies will crit you more and more while your low AC characters only suffer regular hits with the same frequency.

[Raum]

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Turn off karmic dice
Respec to a strength based monk build
Take tavern brawler

Congrats, you now hit everything with a 95% chance.

I don't use Karmic dice, and changing the spec isn't going to have that large of an effect on the chance to hit while unarmed. At 75% plus on attacks without advantage or disadvantage, I connected 7 times in 42 attacks. 3 times in that same span, I had advantage with 95%, and missed all 6 attacks.

There is no setting or respec that will fix this.

[Nomad]

Originally posted by Raum:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Turn off karmic dice
Respec to a strength based monk build
Take tavern brawler

Congrats, you now hit everything with a 95% chance.

I don't use Karmic dice, and changing the spec isn't going to have that large of an effect on the chance to hit while unarmed. At 75% plus on attacks without advantage or disadvantage, I connected 7 times in 42 attacks. 3 times in that same span, I had advantage with 95%, and missed all 6 attacks.

There is no setting or respec that will fix this.

Well, what exactly do you want us to do about it?

[sdunn0404]

look up the will wheaton curse

[jhughes]

Originally posted by Tenacity:

Originally posted by LivingVitae:

Unless karmic dice are bugged, I don't know why you'd turn off. Computer dice are not random for a low number of rolls, end of story. They streak high and low while maintaining a uniform distribution over thousands of rolls. There should be control for that, and further it's common for DMs to fudge dice rolls to make the game more interesting. I don't get this pure dice rolls on PC at all, they just don't mimic reality.

karmic dice weights towards high results, meaning that AC becomes actively detrimental, as the enemies will crit you more and more while your low AC characters only suffer regular hits with the same frequency.

Karmic dice now only impact your teams rolls, not enemy rolls.

[Nokturnal]

lol I had a friend who played Monk as well and his rolls were hot trash too.

My advice? Yea Tavern Brawler feat helps, also Lucky feat Helps (but you can still roll bad twice)

Best advice for rolling bad? Play a Sorc or Wizard and spam Magic Missiles, you literally can't miss. Also, Divination Wizard allows you to literally change dice rolls to whatever number you want. (Hands down the best way to make sure an Enemy can't save against a debilitating debuff for example)

[jhughes]

Originally posted by Raum:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Turn off karmic dice
Respec to a strength based monk build
Take tavern brawler

Congrats, you now hit everything with a 95% chance.

I don't use Karmic dice, and changing the spec isn't going to have that large of an effect on the chance to hit while unarmed. At 75% plus on attacks without advantage or disadvantage, I connected 7 times in 42 attacks. 3 times in that same span, I had advantage with 95%, and missed all 6 attacks.

There is no setting or respec that will fix this.

You said at the beginning of the game. What level is your character. At level 2, you aren't going to hit a lot (for example). This is especially true if you are fighting higher level characters.

Note: this is not a action RPG.. There is no reaction time or special move buttons combination to hit better.

[Zackerie]

Originally posted by LivingVitae:

Unless karmic dice are bugged, I don't know why you'd turn off. Computer dice are not random for a low number of rolls, end of story. They streak high and low while maintaining a uniform distribution over thousands of rolls. There should be control for that, and further it's common for DMs to fudge dice rolls to make the game more interesting. I don't get this pure dice rolls on PC at all, they just don't mimic reality.

because there is no reason to want a high streak in DND just because you had low rolls. There is 0. 0. 0. 0. benefit to over succeeding on a roll. dc 18 and you roll an 18 your +5 bonus is not even useful. so what is the +5 bonus useful for? when you roll a 15. you do not want the game to give you ish rolls just because you over succeed on something you probably didn't have to even succeed on in the first place. DND is made to make up for bad rolls. the bonuses aren't for when you roll well. so you don't want your dice deciding to roll well when you don't need them to, because there is no point, and the trade off is, if you had a streak of good luck, you will now get forced bad rolls to even out your "karma"

bad rolls aren't a bad thing, there is no reason to avoid them. What you want to avoid is the game deciding you need a low roll for something just because you previously succeeded.

[Razorblade]

Originally posted by Raum:

An unfathomable number of my attacks roll either 5 or 6. A statistically improbable amount.

An entire game's worth of rolls is unlikely to be a statically significant number of rolls; you sure as hell have not had a statistically significant number of rolls by level 4.

The solution is to max out your hit chance, max out your number of hits (e.g. Haste or equivalent potion), and pick up one of the items that gives you constant Advantage (Gloves of Underdog Bravery, Risky Ring, etc.).

[Tenacity]

Originally posted by Raum:

Originally posted by Recjawjind:

Turn off karmic dice
Respec to a strength based monk build
Take tavern brawler

Congrats, you now hit everything with a 95% chance.

I don't use Karmic dice, and changing the spec isn't going to have that large of an effect on the chance to hit while unarmed. At 75% plus on attacks without advantage or disadvantage, I connected 7 times in 42 attacks. 3 times in that same span, I had advantage with 95%, and missed all 6 attacks.

There is no setting or respec that will fix this.

Normal monk adds 1x their dex to hit and damage
Tavern brawler adds 2x their str to hit and damage
So your attack bonus as a level 4 str monk will be +10, whereas it will only be +6 with dex monk.
Str monk is the way to go.

[Varanus]

My monk almost never misses. Most of his hits are like 85-95% chance. And that seems to be pretty reflective of what happens. So maybe just bad luck on your part.

[Pizza_Force]

I use karmic die with monk and rarely miss at all. You have flurry of blows and stun to gain advantage, you should only ever miss if you run out of ki. Maybe your ability scores are all over the place or you're wearing stuff that give you disadvantage.

[Isseus]

Skill issue