Weakest classes

[Fast]

Wizard : This class simply sucks, Other than its ability to have a wide spell list, it is objectively the weakest of the caster classes. Why is this the case? Because concentration alone destroys the purpose of having a diverse spell list, Sorcerers in general are better at everything , and lets not forget wizard is intel based, the worst ability score.
This class also doesnt multiclass well unless you are looking to learn spells that wont be affected by int. "1 level of wizard wow spell book cool" << no. "no damage to my party wowee", guess what a wizard doing damage is a wizard not buffing your martials damage which is better than you wizard no matter what you do...who cares. GIve you fighter 16-19 hits a turn or a paladin or monk instead with 9-12 per turn...

Druid : This class has being being a jack of all trades in fact makes it pretty terrible.
Shapeshifting is hugely limiting and much of the classes power or usage is lost whilst shapeshift for only a few small perks which are generally speaking inconsequential in bg3.
Beyond that, the spell list is pretty weak, outside of spike growth, and faerie fire (which bards get) this class feels ultimately weaker than other classes than can do what they do ...but better... They do get high wisdom saves ofc, but it doesnt make up for being outclassed by clerics and bards for more robust spell lists and shapeshifts being ultimately more limiting than not. This class also has problems multiclassing due to the nature of shapes. Druids being full casters is the only saving grace. Oh i should mention the AC of shapes is too low.

Rogue : This class was what people once used as a skill monkey for all things skill related and had some reasonable functions in combat, but then bard came along and made it worthless. the end. This class does ok for a multiclass bonus action and stealth attacks but as a primary class its pretty scuffed. From the perspective of combat, a sword bard, or dex fighter is going to do all the things rogue can but better, from the perspective of skill monkey, bard does it all better and is charisma based. Monk is also something to consider here, as monk offers better multiclass options, better utility, and better stealth and combat build options.

Barbarian : some people will think this class is strong, but the reality is, rage is nerfed heavily from 5e, and advantage is something we can get from literally anywhere else. It doesnt progress much from is level 1 state and just gets more attacks and becomes tankier. It is also strength based meaning it suffers once again from a weaker ability score pool, and doesnt offer much more than hitting things relatively hard. The problem is, paladins, and fighters hit harder...more often, and can ability score better. Paladins can obviously take the charisma route and fighters can also go dex , meaning barbs are kinda left in the dust. Multiclass options for barb are kinda scuffed as well. Dex fighters will have the best save ability score in game and paladins...well they can do all the things and multiclass well. Not forgetting monk simply being a better barb at literally everything whilst offering better stealth options than rogue.



BEING WEAKER CLASSES SIMPLY MEANS THERE ARE OTHER CLASSES THAT DO THE THING THEY CAN DO EITHER BETTER OR PRODUCE A MORE CONSISTENT OR BETTER OUTCOME. THEY ARE STILL VIABLE, JUST WEAKER THAN PLAYING SOMETHING ELSE.

[Agony_Aunt]

That's an... interesting take.

I'd say its more about subclasses when it comes to weak and strong, base classes by themselves are all decent if played right.

Rogue... man, i don't know what to say to you. Rogues are downright solid.

I also don't get your point about concentration with regards to wizards. Sorcs also need to concentrate on concentration spells. All caster classes do.

[Kirioz]

Originally posted by Fast:

Wizard : This class simply sucks, Other than its ability to have a wide spell list, it is objectively the weakest of the caster classes. Why is this the case? Because concentration alone destroys the purpose of having a diverse spell list, Sorcerers in general are better at everything , and lets not forget wizard is intel based, the worst ability score.
This class also doesnt multiclass well unless you are looking to learn spells that wont be affected by int.

evocation wizard rules, basically have a lot of aoe dmg spells without friendy fire, and you just need 1 spell with concentration (haste) for more damage xd

[Sima Marlin]

Originally posted by Fast:

Wizard : This class simply sucks, Other than its ability to have a wide spell list, it is objectively the weakest of the caster classes. Why is this the case? Because concentration alone destroys the purpose of having a diverse spell list, Sorcerers in general are better at everything , and lets not forget wizard is intel based, the worst ability score.
This class also doesnt multiclass well unless you are looking to learn spells that wont be affected by int.

Druid : This class has being being a jack of all trades in fact makes it pretty terrible.
Shapeshifting is hugely limiting and much of the classes power or usage is lost whilst shapeshift for only a few small perks which are generally speaking inconsequential in bg3.
Beyond that, the spell list is pretty weak, outside of spike growth, and faerie fire (which bards get) this class feels ultimately weaker than other classes than can do what they do ...but better... They do get high wisdom saves ofc, but it doesnt make up for being outclassed by clerics and bards for more robust spell lists and shapeshifts being ultimately more limiting than not. This class also has problems multiclassing due to the nature of shapes. Druids being full casters is the only saving grace.

Rogue : This class was what people once used as a skill monkey for all things skill related and had some reasonable functions in combat, but then bard came along and made it worthless. the end. This class does ok for a multiclass bonus action and stealth attacks but as a primary class its pretty scuffed.

Barbarian : some people will think this class is strong, but the reality is, rage is nerfed heavily from 5e, and advantage is something we can get from literally anywhere else. It doesnt progress much from is level 1 state and just gets more attacks and becomes tankier. It is also strength based meaning it suffers once again from a weaker ability score pool, and doesnt offer much more than hitting things relatively hard. The problem is, paladins, and fighters hit harder...more often, and can ability score better. Paladins can obviously take the charisma route and fighters can also go dex , meaning barbs are kinda left in the dust. Multiclass options for barb are kinda scuffed as well. Dex fighters will have the best save ability score in game and paladins...well they can do all the things and multiclass well.

I disagree with wizard not multiclassing well.

Level 1 in wizard + full int , secondary class cleric

= you get all wizard spells and all cleric spells + if you do it right you can get both 20 int and 18 wisdom.

Also remember all gear that pump spell cast DC affects BOTH wizard and cleric.

[ayrtep]

I am not a fan of rogues.

[Lord Adorable]

Has Rogue & Barbarian on the list. That's how we know it's a terrible list.

[Cosmo 🐲]

Originally posted by Fast:

Wizard : This class simply sucks, Other than its ability to have a wide spell list, it is objectively the weakest of the caster classes. Why is this the case? Because concentration alone destroys the purpose of having a diverse spell list, Sorcerers in general are better at everything , and lets not forget wizard is intel based, the worst ability score.
This class also doesnt multiclass well unless you are looking to learn spells that wont be affected by int.

Druid : This class has being being a jack of all trades in fact makes it pretty terrible.
Shapeshifting is hugely limiting and much of the classes power or usage is lost whilst shapeshift for only a few small perks which are generally speaking inconsequential in bg3.
Beyond that, the spell list is pretty weak, outside of spike growth, and faerie fire (which bards get) this class feels ultimately weaker than other classes than can do what they do ...but better... They do get high wisdom saves ofc, but it doesnt make up for being outclassed by clerics and bards for more robust spell lists and shapeshifts being ultimately more limiting than not. This class also has problems multiclassing due to the nature of shapes. Druids being full casters is the only saving grace.

Rogue : This class was what people once used as a skill monkey for all things skill related and had some reasonable functions in combat, but then bard came along and made it worthless. the end. This class does ok for a multiclass bonus action and stealth attacks but as a primary class its pretty scuffed.

Barbarian : some people will think this class is strong, but the reality is, rage is nerfed heavily from 5e, and advantage is something we can get from literally anywhere else. It doesnt progress much from is level 1 state and just gets more attacks and becomes tankier. It is also strength based meaning it suffers once again from a weaker ability score pool, and doesnt offer much more than hitting things relatively hard. The problem is, paladins, and fighters hit harder...more often, and can ability score better. Paladins can obviously take the charisma route and fighters can also go dex , meaning barbs are kinda left in the dust. Multiclass options for barb are kinda scuffed as well. Dex fighters will have the best save ability score in game and paladins...well they can do all the things and multiclass well.

About the Wizzard, there is an item That gives 17 int when equipped, and getting that item would actually make Wizzards better for multiclassing, as you can pump up another stat

[RhodosGuard]

Wizards being able to throw Fireballs into the frontline without hurting their teammates is about the best thing ever.
Additionally:
Abjuration Wizards are actually quite tanky
Necromancer Wizards can also be very good frontline fighters, especially if you go Dwarf for Medium Armor Proficiency.

Sorcerers only let their friends succeed saves so you can still TPK yourself. The only reason Sorcerers may have the upper hand is quickened Spell and one-shotting encounters by throwing 2 fireballs in, or casting Lightningbolt or Call Lightning into Wet enemies, but that's also something a Wizard can do, at least with Lightningbolt.

[saice]

Originally posted by Fast:

Wizard : This class simply sucks, Other than its ability to have a wide spell list, it is objectively the weakest of the caster classes. Why is this the case? Because concentration alone destroys the purpose of having a diverse spell list, Sorcerers in general are better at everything , and lets not forget wizard is intel based, the worst ability score.
This class also doesnt multiclass well unless you are looking to learn spells that wont be affected by int.

I'm not going to completely disagree with you. But a few things. There are multiple feats that fix the concentration issue. Along with some potions. The wide spell selection is the reason to go with wiz. Since you can change prepared spells outside of combat and outside of combat you can cast anything with the Ritual tag without using a slot wiz is a really good utility buffer for your group. Also the subclass Evocation is really good for when you want to fire ball right into your own groups melee range.

[VoiD]

Oddly enough, with the exception of druid (haven't played it at all, so I know nothing about it) all of those classes create some of the best multiclasses in the game, Thief or assassin rogues pair very well with gloomstalkers, creating a class capable of beating the entire game solo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30eSbdQxArw

Barbarians are very solid on their own, sure, but as you said, the class is very frontloaded, giving most of it's benefits at early levels, meaning if you can add barbarian to other classes for very strong benefits, specially in BG3 where they work even on dex builds.

And wizzard can be taken as a dip for every spellcasting class, and you'll end up with all of the spells from your base class AND all of the spells from the wizzard class, plus the same spell slots from not multiclassing at all, there is basically no negative to doing this on every caster in the game. Some people have mentioned a certain abjuration(I think?) build that gets over 30 AC, so it never gets hit, and when it gets hit, it reduces all damage taken to zero anyway, so there's that.

[HoneyDrake]

If we assume you fully invest in a single class, don't multiclass at all and don't abuse damage riders which seem to be bugged regularly?

I would claim Cleric is the "weakest" one. Lack of spells, underwhelming class features which are outshined by most others, too.

But then again Cleric is actually fine.


There are some sub classes which are straight out worse. No clues why anyone would pick Aassassin over Thief, for example (once again ignoring multiclassing)

[Ghostorias]

Seems like you just suck playing Wizard they are actually pretty good if played right and not like a complete moron

[ULTRA]

Originally posted by Akabi, Destroyer of Planes:

Has Rogue & Barbarian on the list. That's how we know it's a terrible list.

yeah - you lose, OP

[Guglhupf]

Lol Abjuration and Evocation wizards are literally some of the strongest builds of the whole game. The other classes I can mostly agree with, but your take on wizard is really terrible and I couldn't disagree more.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by Honey Drake:

If we assume you fully invest in a single class, don't multiclass at all and don't abuse damage riders which seem to be bugged regularly?

I would claim Cleric is the "weakest" one. Lack of spells, underwhelming class features which are outshined by most others, too.

But then again Cleric is actually fine.


There are some sub classes which are straight out worse. No clues why anyone would pick Aassassin over Thief, for example (once again ignoring multiclassing)

For the Guaranteed Crit at the start of a surprise round?

[Sima Marlin]

Originally posted by Player 1 (Cosmo):

Originally posted by Fast:

Wizard : This class simply sucks, Other than its ability to have a wide spell list, it is objectively the weakest of the caster classes. Why is this the case? Because concentration alone destroys the purpose of having a diverse spell list, Sorcerers in general are better at everything , and lets not forget wizard is intel based, the worst ability score.
This class also doesnt multiclass well unless you are looking to learn spells that wont be affected by int.

Druid : This class has being being a jack of all trades in fact makes it pretty terrible.
Shapeshifting is hugely limiting and much of the classes power or usage is lost whilst shapeshift for only a few small perks which are generally speaking inconsequential in bg3.
Beyond that, the spell list is pretty weak, outside of spike growth, and faerie fire (which bards get) this class feels ultimately weaker than other classes than can do what they do ...but better... They do get high wisdom saves ofc, but it doesnt make up for being outclassed by clerics and bards for more robust spell lists and shapeshifts being ultimately more limiting than not. This class also has problems multiclassing due to the nature of shapes. Druids being full casters is the only saving grace.

Rogue : This class was what people once used as a skill monkey for all things skill related and had some reasonable functions in combat, but then bard came along and made it worthless. the end. This class does ok for a multiclass bonus action and stealth attacks but as a primary class its pretty scuffed.

Barbarian : some people will think this class is strong, but the reality is, rage is nerfed heavily from 5e, and advantage is something we can get from literally anywhere else. It doesnt progress much from is level 1 state and just gets more attacks and becomes tankier. It is also strength based meaning it suffers once again from a weaker ability score pool, and doesnt offer much more than hitting things relatively hard. The problem is, paladins, and fighters hit harder...more often, and can ability score better. Paladins can obviously take the charisma route and fighters can also go dex , meaning barbs are kinda left in the dust. Multiclass options for barb are kinda scuffed as well. Dex fighters will have the best save ability score in game and paladins...well they can do all the things and multiclass well.

About the Wizzard, there is an item That gives 17 int when equipped, and getting that item would actually make Wizzards better for multiclassing, as you can pump up another stat

You can actually dump stat everything but wisdom and charisma, if you are willing to complement that with items later on and don't go for max spell dc.

It's really a good way to make mega skill check chars, specially bard multiclasses.

Example : you literally start with 8 /8/8/ 8/15/17 ( then toss leftover points what ever ) And still have darn high stat average in long term.

( 18 dex from gloves, 17 or 19 int from head, 23 con from necky... permanent potions and buffs can get you easy 10 str ,, so on)