Lolth sworn Drow is dumb

[Giganx]

So, it's basically the designed to be the go-to race/background for characters who want to be evil. The problem is that it's WAY too specific.

Custom characters are supposed to be a blank slate with a vague background you can mold. Instead you're pigeon-holed into being some braindamaged religious zealot who's "evil" is all centered on rambling about Lolth and embracing her influence. It's basically just the Dark Urge origin with less flair.

I'm looking to be more of a self-serving evil, and Drow would be perfect for that if they kept the background information simply to where you're from, instead of defining your motivations for you.

[Giganx]

Publicado originalmente por Sterling:

Publicado originalmente por Giganx:

There are 2 different types of Drow; one who's every thought is consumed by worshipping Lolth and one who's every thought is fighting or deriding Lolth.

There's no reason to pre define a custom characters motivations to that degree.

There are also anomalies like Jarlaxle and Viconia who don't give a damn about fighting Lolth and both being originally Lolth-sworn. But once again, they are not Lolth-sworn anymore, and they won't identify as such themselves.

And that's kind of what I mean. The 2 options for Drow in this game are very specifically that your life is dedicated to worshipping Lolth (Lolth sworn), or your life is dedicated to fighting Lolth (Seldarine).

Clearly those 2 options aren't the only things Drow can be, and I don't need that level of specificity and pre-determined motivation on a custom character.

[Dovahbear]

"Seldarine drow can be found seeking allies from all over Faerûn, aiming to settle their conflict with Lolth - and each other - by any means necessary."

Explain to me how this pigeon-holes you into being a goody two shoes?

[LeMuflon]

Also worth noting - game doesn't relly pidgeonhole you.
As Seldarine Drow, I encouraged spider rebellion - I basically told them to run from their current masters, since among Lolth kin they will be revered.
Also, there's quite a few options for [DROW] response, that just use your knowledge of Underdark and it's societies. Combine that with standard evil dialogue options, and you can totally play evil, Underdark Drow. You''ll just have to skip some Lolth sworn specific responses.

[Dovahbear]

Publicado originalmente por Giganx:

The 2 options for Drow in this game are very specifically that your life is dedicated to worshipping Lolth (Lolth sworn), or your life is dedicated to fighting her (Seldarine). I don't need that level of specificity on a custom character.

Uh, no it doesn't. You can be a Seldarine drow that's a cleric of Tiamat or something. The only choice that limits you is the Lolth sworn. Seldarine can do whatever, be whatever. You're not Seldarine "sworn".

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por LeMuflon:

Also worth noting - game doesn't relly pidgeonhole you.
As Seldarine Drow, I encouraged spider rebellion - I basically told them to run from their current masters, since among Lolth kin they will be revered.
Also, there's quite a few options for [DROW] response, that just use your knowledge of Underdark and it's societies. Combine that with standard evil dialogue options, and you can totally play evil, Underdark Drow. You''ll just have to skip some Lolth sworn specific responses.

I did as well and i'm not even a Drow in game lol

[Judas Plague]

Publicado originalmente por PocketYoda:

Publicado originalmente por Judas Plague:

You can create your own party just talk to withers. You can create a full party of custom characters.... tell me you dont play the game without telling me hahaha

That is not making your own party thats still preset characters. I have over 200 hours in BG3 since early access.

I am almost at 300 hours. I see why you are still calling it preset but its still separate from the party you have and can create what ever narrative you want in any class for them in your head. I think one thing people didnt go into this DnD game with is imagination in which you need a lot of for this niche. But obviously you arent too unhappy or you wouldnt have 200+ hrs. You are already over halfway through the time Larian estimated their game is worth. So why are you on here adding to the troll? If you were in EA then you should know that they do listen to community feedback but only the feedback that is giving to them through proper channels. That doesn't include steam discussion boards. They will not see you here. So take your lazy self onto the website and let your voice be heard and maybe just maybe if enough people say something it will happen. They also have their own forums you can partake in instead you choose to come here to the dumpster fire. Why exactly? Because youre a troll.

[K.I.L.E.R]

Publicado originalmente por saice:

I mean as a Lolth sworn you are..... now stay with me here. Sworn to Lolth

I had to re-read that sentence many times and I am still confused.

[Sterling]

Publicado originalmente por Giganx:

Publicado originalmente por Sterling:

There are also anomalies like Jarlaxle and Viconia who don't give a damn about fighting Lolth and both being originally Lolth-sworn. But once again, they are not Lolth-sworn anymore, and they won't identify as such themselves.

And that's kind of what I mean. The 2 options for Drow in this game are very specifically that your life is dedicated to worshipping Lolth (Lolth sworn), or your life is dedicated to fighting Lolth (Seldarine).

Clearly those 2 options aren't the only things Drow can be, and I don't need that level of specificity and pre-determined motivation on a custom character.

Well the problem is that Lolth-sworn is labeled as subrace which it technically isn't. If you were born Lolth-sworn but at some point decided that Lolth-worship is not for you, you don't cease to be Drow but cease to be Lolth-sworn since if you defy her, you're screwed as long as she has power over you.
This is not infallible as well since there was a Drow guy in BG2 who lived in Lolth society but secretly worshipped Elistraee.

[Giganx]

I mean, I'm aware that you can headcanon around Larians predefined motivations, and ignore dialogue options. Hell, you could do the same thing on an Origin character.

I didn't really want to have to do a bunch of mental gynmastics and attempting to logically work around Larians pre-determined schtick for my custom character, though.

[PocketYoda]

Publicado originalmente por Judas Plague:

Publicado originalmente por PocketYoda:

That is not making your own party thats still preset characters. I have over 200 hours in BG3 since early access.

I am almost at 300 hours. I see why you are still calling it preset but its still separate from the party you have and can create what ever narrative you want in any class for them in your head. I think one thing people didnt go into this DnD game with is imagination in which you need a lot of for this niche. But obviously you arent too unhappy or you wouldnt have 200+ hrs. You are already over halfway through the time Larian estimated their game is worth. So why are you on here adding to the troll? If you were in EA then you should know that they do listen to community feedback but only the feedback that is giving to them through proper channels. That doesn't include steam discussion boards. They will not see you here. So take your lazy self onto the website and let your voice be heard and maybe just maybe if enough people say something it will happen. They also have their own forums you can partake in instead you choose to come here to the dumpster fire. Why exactly? Because youre a troll.

My imagination starts at character creation, not a pre-made character i can some what redo. Its immersion breaking for me that i cannot just roll four characters from inception.. Its a large reason i hated DoS 1 and 2 as well. The core game of BG3 is good of course.

I'm banned on Larions boards.

[Iron Mal]

LOL Im Lolth sworn Drow Pally just like in my DnD campaign. Nothing is "supposed" to be any alignment (not that alignments matter in the game because they werent included but still) So you don't have to make the Lolth sworn Drow evil, they certainly can be and it does lend itself well to that approach but it's not necessary.

[goodbye_bonito]

Publicado originalmente por Giganx:

Publicado originalmente por Sterling:

There are also anomalies like Jarlaxle and Viconia who don't give a damn about fighting Lolth and both being originally Lolth-sworn. But once again, they are not Lolth-sworn anymore, and they won't identify as such themselves.

And that's kind of what I mean. The 2 options for Drow in this game are very specifically that your life is dedicated to worshipping Lolth (Lolth sworn), or your life is dedicated to fighting Lolth (Seldarine).

Clearly those 2 options aren't the only things Drow can be, and I don't need that level of specificity and pre-determined motivation on a custom character.

Lolth choice is okay, since well, it's classic. But yeah, Seldarine is compeltley random, why Seldarine, why not some other drow communities? There are not that many drow that actually worship Seldarine gods, as in they returned from being Lolth drow to worshiping original elven pantheon. And why especially them

[Ephemerant]

Publicado originalmente por Giganx:

So, it's basically the designed to be the go-to race/background for characters who want to be evil. The problem is that it's WAY too specific.

Custom characters are supposed to be a blank slate with a vague background you can mold. Instead you're pigeon-holed into being some braindamaged religious zealot who's "evil" is all centered on rambling about Lolth and embracing her influence. It's basically just the Dark Urge origin with less flair.

I'm looking to be more of a self-serving evil, and Drow would be perfect for that if they kept the background information simply to where you're from, instead of defining your motivations for you.

Cleric of Talos might be up your alley. They're all about chaos and living for themselves because at any moment it could come crashing down.

I remember when I started a playthrough I had an option in the Grove talking to the three Tieflings fighting about staying to help, and you get an option along the lines, "What's the worth in helping people that can't help themselves," or something like that.

Maybe give that a try.

[Judas Plague]

Publicado originalmente por PocketYoda:

Publicado originalmente por Judas Plague:

I am almost at 300 hours. I see why you are still calling it preset but its still separate from the party you have and can create what ever narrative you want in any class for them in your head. I think one thing people didnt go into this DnD game with is imagination in which you need a lot of for this niche. But obviously you arent too unhappy or you wouldnt have 200+ hrs. You are already over halfway through the time Larian estimated their game is worth. So why are you on here adding to the troll? If you were in EA then you should know that they do listen to community feedback but only the feedback that is giving to them through proper channels. That doesn't include steam discussion boards. They will not see you here. So take your lazy self onto the website and let your voice be heard and maybe just maybe if enough people say something it will happen. They also have their own forums you can partake in instead you choose to come here to the dumpster fire. Why exactly? Because youre a troll.

My imagination starts at character creation, not a pre-made character i can some what redo. Its immersion breaking for me that i cannot just roll four characters from inception.. Its a large reason i hated DoS 1 and 2 as well.

I'm banned on Larions boards.

So youre one of those super fans that play millions of hours on all their games but proceeds to bash the devs at every turn? I never did understand where yall come from that act this way lmao. Hundreds of hours on all their games but trash talk it like its the worst game in creation. I wonder if its a binge guilt? You went through so much of its content so fast in a little amount of time you are mad at yourself because you have nothing left to do beside nitpick everything. Most people who don't like a game just stop playing it and move onto something else. You can tell easily what games i didnt enjoy in my library by my play time. How about you have more respect for your own time and play something you enjoy rather than seething in misery as you appear to be doing. If you DO enjoy the game (which a lot of people do as its on its 3rd week of 500,000 concurrent players; on a single player game mind you) how about you provide constructive criticism on the proper channels and move on about your day like a normal adult?

[Sterling]

Publicado originalmente por Єноти🦝:

Publicado originalmente por Giganx:

And that's kind of what I mean. The 2 options for Drow in this game are very specifically that your life is dedicated to worshipping Lolth (Lolth sworn), or your life is dedicated to fighting Lolth (Seldarine).

Clearly those 2 options aren't the only things Drow can be, and I don't need that level of specificity and pre-determined motivation on a custom character.

Lolth choice is okay, since well, it's classic. But yeah, Seldarine is compeltley random, why Seldarine, why not someone else? There are not that many drow that actually worship Seldarine gods, and why especially them

Sharite and Elistraee Drow sound even more limiting in terms of RP though. And it's the been there, done that in terms of already featuring in PC games.