Lolth sworn Drow is dumb

[Giganx]

So, it's basically the designed to be the go-to race/background for characters who want to be evil. The problem is that it's WAY too specific.

Custom characters are supposed to be a blank slate with a vague background you can mold. Instead you're pigeon-holed into being some braindamaged religious zealot who's "evil" is all centered on rambling about Lolth and embracing her influence. It's basically just the Dark Urge origin with less flair.

I'm looking to be more of a self-serving evil, and Drow would be perfect for that if they kept the background information simply to where you're from, instead of defining your motivations for you.

[[OTS]EchoZenLogos]

Originally posted by SaintedFiend:

Originally posted by Giganx:

"All Drow" aren't religious; there's no one motivation that defines every single person in a race of people. That's exactly why custom is supposed to be a blank slate. With a custom character you can say where your character is from and what THAT place was like, but predetermining the motivations of a custom character is just dumb.

Normally id agree with you, but in the case of Drow you are simply wrong. Drow are raised from birth and indoctrinated into the cult of Lolth. That IS their society.

Those who grow self awareness can leave, but most will die or worse. At best get outcasted to the surface where everyone is gonna be racist to you anyway. That's just who Drow are.

Yeah, this just isn't true in the Forgotten Realms setting that Drow can be anything so easily. You can of course justify certain Drow being good or evil in certain ways, but if you follow Llolth you're in a very strict and specific club.

I know 5th edition and the big time skips from earlier versions of the setting changed things, but the books written by R.A. Salvatore about the drow Drizzt (a famous dark elf Ranger who shuns the evil of his people and adventures in a world which looks at him as a monster) were very interesting. He has a Dark Elf Trilogy that basically goes into how the Drow live - they basically are all in the service of Llolth and anyone who doesn't reverently worship her and act according to their culture is killed or worse. At some point in factor Llolth personally has Drizzt hunted down by powerful warriors just for turning against her - many times - a Goddess basically ensuring nobody of that race ever tries to escape her clutches.

Sure, technically there's room for individual Drow to not be brainwashed monsters of an evil God, but their entire culture doesn't allow for that. It isn't like individual Drow can just go off on their own either - they are shunned by the other races, and hunted down by their own kind if they are found to be traitors to their Goddess. It takes extraordinary effort for Drow to not be evil, basically - though in this game you have a bit more freedom than Drizzt probably had back in his earlier adventuring days.

[goodbye_bonito]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Wasn't Drizzt? Lolth Sworn originally before he rebelled? I can't remember.

He was, he stopped to be Lolth Drow after he rebelled tho, or rather run away. And while he exists, like, cmon, let's not RP another Drizzt, it was already old as world when I played tabletop in 1993

[Judas Plague]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by SaintedFiend:

Normally id agree with you, but in the case of Drow you are simply wrong. Drow are raised from birth and indoctrinated into the cult of Lolth. That IS their society.

Those who grow self awareness can leave, but most will die or worse. At best get outcasted to the surface where everyone is gonna be racist to you anyway. That's just who Drow are.

I mean, you pretty much just made my point. Plenty of Drow escape the indoctrination and proceed to live their own lives.

Larian didn't have to pre-write my custom character as either a Lolth zealot or a anti-Lolth zealot. Literally just give some vague details about where I came from and let me fill in the blanks when it comes to my motivations.

ok thats literally why there are two different types of drow... one that follows loth.... one that doesnt...are you dense?

[Sterling]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Wasn't Drizzt? Lolth Sworn originally before he rebelled? I can't remember.

He sort of was and wasn't. He never worshiped her, he just played along until he escaped. But he was good-aligned from the start. Also his dad wasn't a Lolth worshipper but was tolerated for his skill to a certain point.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by SaintedFiend:

Normally id agree with you, but in the case of Drow you are simply wrong. Drow are raised from birth and indoctrinated into the cult of Lolth. That IS their society.

Those who grow self awareness can leave, but most will die or worse. At best get outcasted to the surface where everyone is gonna be racist to you anyway. That's just who Drow are.

I mean, you pretty much just made my point. Plenty of Drow escape the indoctrination and proceed to live their own lives.

Larian didn't have to pre-write my custom character as either a Lolth zealot or a anti-Lolth zealot. Literally just give some vague details about where I came from and let me fill in the blanks when it comes to my motivations.

This game is 99% presets.. its modern game design. We couldn't even make our own party without literally starting four versions of BG3.. Its modern dumbed down gaming these days.. Not new.

Originally posted by Sterling:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Wasn't Drizzt? Lolth Sworn originally before he rebelled? I can't remember.

He sort of was and wasn't. He never worshiped her, he just played along until he escaped. But he was good-aligned from the start.

Yes i mean't that, back in early Drizzt he was part of their Clan? before he made his escape.

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Originally posted by Єноти🦝:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Wasn't Drizzt? Lolth Sworn originally before he rebelled? I can't remember.

He was, he stopped to be Lolth Drow after he rebelled tho, or rather run away. And while he exists, like, cmon, let's not RP another Drizzt, it was already old as world when I played tabletop in 1993

Drizzt was Lolth-Sworn culturally, but he never really got to the point of really following her customs. He was lucky enough to have a mentor who gave him the rare opportunity to avoid acting as "Drow should," and after seeing the cruelty of his people first-hand he basically fled at the first opportunity. He was born in a Drow city deep underground though, as part of a Great House, and definitely understands their culture directly.

[Judas Plague]

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

Originally posted by Giganx:

I mean, you pretty much just made my point. Plenty of Drow escape the indoctrination and proceed to live their own lives.

Larian didn't have to pre-write my custom character as either a Lolth zealot or a anti-Lolth zealot. Literally just give some vague details about where I came from and let me fill in the blanks when it comes to my motivations.

This game is 99% presets.. its modern game design. We couldn't even make our own party without literally starting four versions of BG3.. Its modern dumbed down gaming these days.. Not new.

You can create your own party just talk to withers. You can create a full party of custom characters.... tell me you dont play the game without telling me hahaha

[Giganx]

Originally posted by Judas Plague:

Originally posted by Giganx:

I mean, you pretty much just made my point. Plenty of Drow escape the indoctrination and proceed to live their own lives.

Larian didn't have to pre-write my custom character as either a Lolth zealot or a anti-Lolth zealot. Literally just give some vague details about where I came from and let me fill in the blanks when it comes to my motivations.

ok thats literally why there are two different types of drow... one that follows loth.... one that doesnt...are you dense?

There are 2 different types of Drow; one who's every thought is consumed by worshipping Lolth and one who's every thought is fighting or deriding Lolth.

There's no reason to pre define a custom characters motivations to that degree.

[RhodosGuard]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by SaintedFiend:

Normally id agree with you, but in the case of Drow you are simply wrong. Drow are raised from birth and indoctrinated into the cult of Lolth. That IS their society.

Those who grow self awareness can leave, but most will die or worse. At best get outcasted to the surface where everyone is gonna be racist to you anyway. That's just who Drow are.

I mean, you pretty much just made my point. Plenty of Drow escape the indoctrination and proceed to live their own lives. Sure the stigma of Drow culture follows them everywhere, and that's fine.

Larian just didn't have to pre-write my custom character as either a Lolth zealot or a anti-Lolth zealot. Literally just give some vague details about where I came from and let me fill in the blanks when it comes to my motivations.

Then, and here comes the kicker, dont use the Race/Class Dialogue Options.

[Judas Plague]

Originally posted by OTSEchoZenLogos:

Originally posted by Єноти🦝:

He was, he stopped to be Lolth Drow after he rebelled tho, or rather run away. And while he exists, like, cmon, let's not RP another Drizzt, it was already old as world when I played tabletop in 1993

Drizzt was Lolth-Sworn culturally, but he never really got to the point of really following her customs. He was lucky enough to have a mentor who gave him the rare opportunity to avoid acting as "Drow should," and after seeing the cruelty of his people first-hand he basically fled at the first opportunity. He was born in a Drow city deep underground though, as part of a Great House, and definitely understands their culture directly.

I need to read this!!! sounds very interesting

[Elley]

Drow women are so sexy bros...

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Judas Plague:

Originally posted by PocketYoda:

This game is 99% presets.. its modern game design. We couldn't even make our own party without literally starting four versions of BG3.. Its modern dumbed down gaming these days.. Not new.

You can create your own party just talk to withers. You can create a full party of custom characters.... tell me you dont play the game without telling me hahaha

That is not making your own party thats still preset characters. I have over 200 hours in BG3 since early access.

[Sterling]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Judas Plague:

ok thats literally why there are two different types of drow... one that follows loth.... one that doesnt...are you dense?

There are 2 different types of Drow; one who's every thought is consumed by worshipping Lolth and one who's every thought is fighting or deriding Lolth.

There's no reason to pre define a custom characters motivations to that degree.

There are also anomalies like Jarlaxle and Viconia who don't give a damn about fighting Lolth and both being originally Lolth-sworn and both remaining sort of evil to various degrees. But once again, they are not Lolth-sworn anymore, and they won't identify as such themselves.

[Judas Plague]

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Judas Plague:

ok thats literally why there are two different types of drow... one that follows loth.... one that doesnt...are you dense?

There are 2 different types of Drow; one who's every thought is consumed by worshipping Lolth and one who's every thought is fighting or deriding Lolth.

Originally posted by Giganx:

Originally posted by Judas Plague:

ok thats literally why there are two different types of drow... one that follows loth.... one that doesnt...are you dense?

There are 2 different types of Drow; one who's every thought is consumed by worshipping Lolth and one who's every thought is fighting or deriding Lolth.

There's no reason to pre define a custom characters motivations to that degree.

Bro only owns 25 games on an 11 year old account. He is definitely a sad troll. Think ill dip out of this dumpster fire. Have a good day all.

[PocketYoda]

Originally posted by Judas Plague:

Originally posted by OTSEchoZenLogos:

Drizzt was Lolth-Sworn culturally, but he never really got to the point of really following her customs. He was lucky enough to have a mentor who gave him the rare opportunity to avoid acting as "Drow should," and after seeing the cruelty of his people first-hand he basically fled at the first opportunity. He was born in a Drow city deep underground though, as part of a Great House, and definitely understands their culture directly.

I need to read this!!! sounds very interesting

Its one of the most well known DnD book series ever made R.A. Salvatore is the writer.