Issues with Minsc stats.

[Brucius]

As someone who has played BG 1 and 2 dozens of times and those games are my all time favorites i kinda feel underwhelmed by Minsc's stats. Only 12 in STR?

Now this only my opinion and i'm maybe a bit nostalgic, but i'm used to Minsc carrying a two-hander and doing butt kicking for goodness. Now he is carrying small finesse weapons and it's kinda dull. He might be a ranger and logical thing would be to increase Dex and Wis, but guys, this is Minsc. He should be big, tough and dumb-ish. His starting stats should be something like.
STR: 19
DEX:16
CON:17
INT: 6
WIS:8
CHA:8

He is a legend in this world. So to compensate for his lack in wisdom maybe give him some special perks and skills...

[x_equals_speed]

It did seem wierd to me he had low strength, he was the strongest character in the original game!

[LArc7thHeaven]

Issue with different edition i think, iirc minsc is hybrid ranger-barbarian back in BG2 and you see in the cutscene he literally tore that mimic from the inside but games gonna be games i suppose, and respec is cheap so nothing really a big problem

[Winter]

I get where you are coming from and this is where the changes in the ruleset for the TTRPG collide with the established lore.

As I understand it he was originally a ranger with a special berserk utility skill. It wouldnt have been too hard for them to wiggle this in. However the issues would start when none of his ranger based abilities would function correctly within the limitations of the 5e ruleset. Minsc is essentially too big of a character to fit the current rule system as is and would require some finagling.

My "fix" was to have him run around with a certain finesse longsword and eventually a pair of Gloves of Hill Giant Strength.

[Brucius]

Originally posted by Wintermane:

I get where you are coming from and this is where the changes in the ruleset for the TTRPG collide with the established lore.

As I understand it he was originally a ranger with a special berserk utility skill. It wouldnt have been too hard for them to wiggle this in. However the issues would start when none of his ranger based abilities would function correctly within the limitations of the 5e ruleset. Minsc is essentially too big of a character to fit the current rule system as is and would require some finagling.

My "fix" was to have him run around with a certain finesse longsword and eventually a pair of Gloves of Hill Giant Strength.

Haven't had DND session in 12+ years and really not into current rules. But i guess you know what you're talking about. And yeah, certain (only) finesse longsword is already equipped by my main char (also ranger) :S.

[Nokturnal]

Originally posted by Wintermane:

I get where you are coming from and this is where the changes in the ruleset for the TTRPG collide with the established lore.

As I understand it he was originally a ranger with a special berserk utility skill. It wouldnt have been too hard for them to wiggle this in. However the issues would start when none of his ranger based abilities would function correctly within the limitations of the 5e ruleset. Minsc is essentially too big of a character to fit the current rule system as is and would require some finagling.

My "fix" was to have him run around with a certain finesse longsword and eventually a pair of Gloves of Hill Giant Strength.

He literally had a unique Berserk ability that was different from a Barbarian's Rage in the BG games.

He should've just had that ability in BG3, screw the ruleset. Make him the Ranger/Barbarian hybrid that he originally was.

They already can give characters permanent Stat bonuses and abilities via story options and tadpole powers, don't think it'd be that hard to give him a permanent Berserk ability.

[Curath]

I get where the devs are coming, ranger uses DEX for ranged and DEX for regular two-weapon fighting. But it would have been rather easy giving Minsc more STR and Dual Wielder feat to use non-finesse weapons.

[Caldrin]

Just re-roll him into a hybrid that fits I guess..

[Damphair]

Respec him into a barb, you can multiclass him also if you wish

[Zogtar]

Originally posted by Brucius:

Originally posted by Wintermane:

I get where you are coming from and this is where the changes in the ruleset for the TTRPG collide with the established lore.

As I understand it he was originally a ranger with a special berserk utility skill. It wouldnt have been too hard for them to wiggle this in. However the issues would start when none of his ranger based abilities would function correctly within the limitations of the 5e ruleset. Minsc is essentially too big of a character to fit the current rule system as is and would require some finagling.

My "fix" was to have him run around with a certain finesse longsword and eventually a pair of Gloves of Hill Giant Strength.

Haven't had DND session in 12+ years and really not into current rules. But i guess you know what you're talking about. And yeah, certain (only) finesse longsword is already equipped by my main char (also ranger) :S.

Yeah, DnD fanatics are still arguing 3.5e vs 5e... but the argument is slowing down as 5e gains more content and tweaks.

[saice]

Originally posted by Robots Are Neat:

Yeah, DnD fanatics are still arguing 3.5e vs 5e... but the argument is slowing down as 5e gains more content and tweaks.

And it is made worse since BG1 and BG2 were AD&D 2e which was just as different from 3.5e as 3.5e is to 5e

So poor Minsc is 3(and a half) versions removed from the current game. So much as changed and even Lore wise the weave got jacked up spell fire everywhere and put back together.

[x_equals_speed]

I think the problem is that the game gives you the character at level 1 and lets you pick their level ups when you get him. While there are perfectly good strength builds for rangers there would be a lot of traps in which a high strength character could be a really rubbish ranger if you picked the wrong things and they've tried to make the characters easy to build for people who are new to the system.

That said, they've given him a unique ability in being able to summon Boo, so they're clearly willing to use unqiue abilities to do things. A once per short rest special rage that made his strength equal to his highest stat would've been a good compromise, it'd explain him doing feats of strength in the cutscenes, would be occasionally useful (e.g. for that bow that adds str to damage), but would let him have a core ranger statline and wouldn't get wildly broken if the player rebuilt him to have a higher base strength.

[Econ]

Originally posted by Brucius:

His starting stats should be something like.
STR: 19
DEX:16
CON:17
INT: 6
WIS:8
CHA:8

When you fight him, they are close to that:
STR: 20
DEX:15
CON:15
INT: 8
WIS:6
CHA:9

I guess they reverted to default ranger stats to avoid confusing new players. I respecced him as barbarian berserker 8/ranger hunter 4 with stats similar to the above after taking ASI twice, gave him medium armor and a two-handed sword, and he feels good.

[Brucius]

Originally posted by Econ:

Originally posted by Brucius:

His starting stats should be something like.
STR: 19
DEX:16
CON:17
INT: 6
WIS:8
CHA:8

When you fight him, they are close to that:
STR: 20
DEX:15
CON:15
INT: 8
WIS:6
CHA:9

I guess they reverted to default ranger stats to avoid confusing new players. I respecced him as barbarian berserker 8/ranger hunter 4 with stats similar to the above after taking ASI twice, gave him medium armor and a two-handed sword, and he feels good.

Sounds good :D

[Wiegs]

I turned fim into a barbarian with 8 intelligence and wisdom, he lives up to his reputation now

[Khern]

Didnt knew much about this guy, heard durings dialogues he used to be a good guy, so i saved him and added him to my party, and i instantly regretted it, absolutly useless, completly dumb, not even funny (at least for my taste) worst companion you can get and it's almost at the end of the game...

Also anyone know if the hamster have any use beside being a meme spell ?