See Invisibility working???

[mutantspicy]

During the Shah trials, the combat one. The battle included enemies who could cast greater invisibility and they did. Except my character with see invisibility could not see them. Am I missing something here? I've seen fairie fire work, but See Invisibility didn't seem to work.

The unsung hero that got me through being sneak attacked. Glaive wielding Karnach with polearm master feat.

[Good Night Owl]

Dumb question, but I made this mistake. Are you using the spell to see in dark instead? lol.

[mutantspicy]

Originally posted by Good Night Owl:

Dumb question, but I made this mistake. Are you using the spell to see in dark instead? lol.

No thanks to certain spoiler event, my main has permanent See Invisibility.

[LT_Gavin]

Funny you say that. I have permanent See Invisibility and got into a altercation with a certain crossbow devil in the same area. I could spot their ambush, but after he cast invisibility, he was completely gone until choosing to appear and attack. Had to do my own ambush of branding smite to deal with that.

[mutantspicy]

Yeah something with See Invisibility doesn't seem to be working at least consistently, unless I'm missing a toggle or action or something.

[Nightwave Crow]

its not working for me as well, at least not well.

[mutantspicy]

Fextralife site is showing See Invisibility with a Dex save? Is that true? Do invisible creature get a save when you cast See Invisibility on yourself? How does that make sense? But there does seem to be a RNG element to it. There shouldn't be.

[Lani]

The main selling point of Greater Invisibility is that it trumps See (regular) Invisibility.
It usually doesn't beat a quick AoE arrow or grenade though and half the time they're betrayed by some status ring so you know where to aim that.

[jcw163]

I think they have to be a certain distance away and can make a saving throw

[Makkura]

Originally posted by mutantspicy:

Fextralife site is showing See Invisibility with a Dex save? Is that true? Do invisible creature get a save when you cast See Invisibility on yourself? How does that make sense? But there does seem to be a RNG element to it. There shouldn't be.

See invisible gives you the ability to see invisible things as if they were visible.
The "hidden" rules still apply. If they are hidden you still need to do the check wether the creature successfully stays in hiding, just as with any other creature that is hidden but not invisible.

[Makkura]

Originally posted by Lani:

The main selling point of Greater Invisibility is that it trumps See (regular) Invisibility.

Where does it say this in the rules?
The advantage of greater invisibility is that it does not have the description "The spell ends for a target that attacks or casts a spell."

[Wiegs]

Originally posted by jcw163:

I think they have to be a certain distance away and can make a saving throw

Yeah you need to be pretty close for the effect to trigger

[Calv]

The see invisibility thing has a 9m distance if I'm remembering correctly.

It was working fine for me with the cat things in the monastery. Haven't come across anything invisible yet though.

[mutantspicy]

Originally posted by Wiegs:

Originally posted by jcw163:

I think they have to be a certain distance away and can make a saving throw

Yeah you need to be pretty close for the effect to trigger

The range of the spell is supposed to be 9m.

Originally posted by Makkura:

See invisible gives you the ability to see invisible things as if they were visible.
The "hidden" rules still apply. If they are hidden you still need to do the check wether the creature successfully stays in hiding, just as with any other creature that is hidden but not invisible.

Yeah I was thinking this may have been what was going on. Except given the scenario and who was invisible, I know that character doesn't have hide as a bonus action nor did she have a way to cast haste. There was no way she could have been hiding and attacking in the same round 3 times.

[R4ampage]

See Invisibility has Both a Range and a Save for it to work, and the Range depends on Darkvision as well.

So first the Invisible creature needs to be in Range of your Vision (which can be shorter because of Darkness) and then the creature starts doing Dex saves, if it fails it get's revealed.

So it's not an Auto Win but still very usefull in my experience and has saved my ass quite a lot of times!

[Makkura]

Originally posted by R4ampage:

if it fails it get's revealed.

Note that "revealed" in this case does not mean necessarily mean its invisibility ends. It just means the person that can see invisibile can see the creature as if it is not invisible. He has no disadvantage attacking the creature and the creature does not have advantage on attacking the character.

This does not apply to other characters. For those the creature is still invisible, even if they know it's location.