For those on the fence about the Woke stuff...

[Snaphaan]

For the few people that's on the fence about the game and how bad the push for diversity and "woke" ideologies are this youtube video by Synthetic Man might be of help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkKHAa9FiZ0

He does like the game overall. I transcribed one section of the video here if you just quickly want to scan read what he says. I also edited the text a bit so it's more readable.

I don't own the game (obviously) but this helped me a lot.

--- Baldur's Gate 3 is Excellent and Terrible ---

I think it's finally time for the part of the video that all of you have been waiting for let's talk about all of the various woke and cringe moments throughout the game.

There are some people that will honestly try to tell you that this game is not woke. Those people have no idea what woke means. I already talked about this in my escapism is dead video to put it shortly woke is referring to cultural Marxism or intersectional feminism or Progressive ideology - any of those things. Woke does not mean that it's so utterly repulsive and disgusting that I don't like it right people think something has to be as Extreme as Velma to be woke. That's not what woke means. Woke just means any left-wing propaganda is in it. So, anyway, let's get to my long list of woke and cringe moments from this game...

Now some of these things I covered earlier in the video. I'll just bring them up again briefly but I wanted to have everything in one section so that you could be able to determine whether or not you could tolerate buying this product.

Once again bring up the Character Creator just to remind you the default human character is a black woman you can choose your pronouns including non-binary body type 1 the default is female and you have to change it to be a male you can make a trans character which means putting a penis on a female body or a vagina on a male body.

Now moving on to the companions everybody in this game is horny as ♥♥♥♥. Larian straight up lied to you when they said that their companion romance system was complex and wasn't just agreeing with them and giving them approval points. Wrong. They lied. That's exactly what it is all you have to do is say things that they agree with and then they want to have sex with you within the first five hours of the game. And when I say everyone I mean everyone including all of the male characters which is especially egregious for Gail, who talks about two other women (that he was in love with in the past) with you and does not show any interest in men. And yet he has multiple gay scenes throughout the game and for some reason, even if you don't bring him in your party, he still gives you these scenes at specific moments - if you rested the camp enough/

Most straight men will admit that they do not like being hit on by a gay man so why the hell are you doing this in our Escape/Fantasy. The worst part of most of these scenes is that over half of your dialogue options are variations of your character hitting on the other characters. It does not account for your gender or sexual preferences since it's not even an option in the game and so it's hard to actually not be gay if you're talking to the male companions.

And of course I have to bring it up for the third time... that the Druid Halsin which you rescue near the end of act one can have sex with you in Bear form again. I don't even need to talk about this. Any normal person knows how ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up that is do I really need to talk about how bad beastiality is?

Now moving on to the world itself. Like I said it is extremely diverse. Cartoonishly diverse. Not only are gonna see all the different players species living together in harmony with no significant racial differences. Except the Githyanki. They're the one Foreigner race that's actually allowed to act differently because they're from a different plane of existence. But also all of these races have several different skin tones in the same geographical area. And different phenotypes too. It wasn't just "oh this guy got a tan". No. They're straight up black elves black dwarves etc. And the tieflings, despite being infused with devil blood, are totally normal people. Definitely not evil in any way. Are you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ kidding me!

This might be one of the more transparent pieces of propaganda in this game especially since they are Asylum seeking refugees who invaded someone else's town and just squatted there and brought crime though in the form of goblins raiding the camp. There are so many interpretations you can have of the tieflings and I think if I explain any of them I'm probably going to be banned from YouTube.

Okay moving on to the next piece of wokeness men and women in this game are treated exactly the same. Now I know some of you out there don't don't think that that's woke like when I've tried to say in the past at least on streams that Fallout New Vegas is like a Proto-Woke game essentially. That's how I described it despite it being one of my favorite games of all time. The NCR's military being half female is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stupid it's ridiculous and makes no sense in a post-apocalypse scenario and it really should be immersion breaking but considering almost nobody talks about it it isn't. But let me just tell you I don't like when fictional settings treat men and women exactly the same with no differences. It essentially just means that women act like men. That's what it means. There's no feminine women anywhere to be seen and that was definitely true of New Vegas and it's true of this game as well.

A great example is the Flaming fist which is a band of mercenaries that are also the guards in Baldur's Gate. When you visit their headquarters, which is on fire after a Goblin Raid, almost every NPC that there is is a woman. In a various different ethnicities too. It almost looks cartoonish. Immediately after that you meet some gith Yankees with one riding a dragon. The Flaming fists there too are incredibly diverse as well. I feel like I'm losing my mind. Does this really not look ridiculous to anybody else what woman would willingly risk her life every day for pennies. Because that's what being a mercenary is. You go out and you kill monsters or people. And like I said, Baldur's Gate is supposed to be a crime heavy City and the guards are supposed to be corrupt. Does that sound like a job a woman would take up willingly?! But again there's no differences between men and women. This another good example: to bring up your party again is that all the female characters are martial classes except Shadow heart who can go into melee when she needs to. While all the men are predominantly casters so the women are the physically strong characters and The Men men are the Mages. Definitely not subversion guys. LOL

Once you get to act three and finally reach the city of Baldur's Gate you are met with a drag queen. Yes, an actual drag queen in Dungeons and Dragons. Not too long afterward you reach a brothel and the first woman you talk to inside insinuates that you want to be pegged and whipped by a dwarf woman. There's also a couple drow twins inside. The male one is a stereotypical drow into BDSM ♥♥♥♥ but the female one won't even have sex with you. It's basically a girlfriend experience combined with like ASMR type of ♥♥♥♥. Which in gameplay terms means it's a black screen. I'm not [ __ ] joking. And man the hole just keeps getting deeper and deeper. A couple hours later and this is a spoiler ... The Illithid who you allied with earlier in the game also wants to have sex with you these guys don't even have ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ genitals. So I guess it's straight up brain sex out of Demolition Man. I don't know. I didn't click the option.

I think some people are going to claim I'm exaggerating when I say this but I think this might just be the most gay non-pornographic game that has ever been made. Truly modern gaming never ceases to amaze me. The funny thing is originally at the end of the section I said well it's not actually that woke in the grand scheme of things because the game is over 40 hours and so the contents spread kind of thin but on honestly, the more I played to the game the more ridiculous and over the top and just straight up degenerate the game becomes. It is kind of annoying and it does sour the experience. I know people are claiming that half of this is supposed to be funny and I don't have a single doubt in my mind that women do find some of these scenes funny. But for the most part it just is straight up degeneracy and it's kind of disturbing.

Look, I'm not gonna push to ban any of this stuff honestly I don't believe in censorship but I do think it's truly telling that we're not allowed to have big titties or big asses or even just model tier attractive women. You know, how they used to make female characters 20 years ago. Art is supposed to be beautiful. But disturbing furry stuff and LGBT stuff? Oh yeah, that's totally kosher.

I was not joking when I said in the beginning that this game is not made for me or any of my fans but again it is a testament to how much I enjoy the fantasy genre that I still ended up liking this game at the end.

[Mysta67]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

Well if you really want kids to not be groomed you might want to set your sights on a certain church first.

I dislike all churches for the same brainwashing they do on youth as modern day ideologues in teaching positions.

The teachings of most religions is to teach people to be good people. So, Brain washing your children to be good people seems adequate to me.

[Laserak]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Laserak:

If you're ok with ANY of them, then you deserve the reckoning coming your way.
Idgaf about Pizzagate, that Q ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ seems like leftist trolls anyways.

You should look into how many people each year chose to do lights out because of having issues like this to deal with. Wouldn't put them on a path where such would be avoidable be better? And no, I'm not for force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

Someone choosing self deletion isn't the same as someone being coerced into something that will ruin their lives, from something they will generally grow out of.

[The Nichtnochter]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by FruitBat Man:

What would an authentic one look like? Yknow, considering dragons aren't real

The whole video game arnt real. Whats your point?

? He's asking what sort of penis on a dragonkin would satisfy your criticism. That's all.

It sounds so much more fun if this whole thread could drop the American politics and debate what a dragonkin penis should be like.

[Laserak]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Why has this topic turned about real life slavery... >.>

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

Well if you really want kids to not be groomed you might want to set your sights on a certain church first.

Well if you dont want kids to be groomed, Stop letting your kids buy games rated M+

This particular discussion isn't surrounding the game, but rather the woke ideology injected into the game.

[Punished Jeremy]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by BigJ:

I got a feeling Ruffio is only interested in spreading false info, defending a drop in quality around act 3 and his love to gaslight others instead of making points.

https://www.tampabay.com/opinion/2023/07/21/florida-history-lesson-slavery-an-unpaid-internship-editorial/

I was expecting that article to have more meat to it. Something worth complaining about, but the only thing its about is this little line

Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be
applied for their personal benefit.

Which giving the previous line

Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes the use of a map to show westward expansion.
SS.68.AA.2.3
Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural
work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing,
transportation).

Seems ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ obvious

Sounds like you and the author are reading into the motivations of the line, rather than the obvious context. That context being the situation freed slaves where in after gaining their freedom. They needed jobs, and many of them gained skills during slavery. Thats not saying that slavery was some kind of internship. Thats such a dishonest reading

[Mysta67]

Originally posted by LeftPaw:

Those calling the game woke have very little or no knowledge on the subject. The majority of complaints are there simply because there is a enthesis on gay relationship. This does not mean the game is woke. I think it maybe because a large amount of the staff at Larian are gay. or something along those lines.

That's because "Woke" isn't a real word with the exception of, "I woke this person up cause I was trolling too late" the word in it's "new" context is simply annoying imo

[SKN The LISPer]

Not only are gonna see all the different players species living together in harmony with no significant racial differences. Except the Githyanki. They're the one Foreigner race that's actually allowed to act differently because they're from a different plane of existence.

This isn't the games fault, that's an D&D 5e issue. In fact, I was surprised that Githyanki was still allowed to be racist in 5e, considering how they smashed down all that stuff over the last years.

Asylum seeking refugees who invaded someone else's town and just squatted there and brought crime though in the form of goblins raiding the camp.

This is a serious stretch. Seems more immersive\thematically consistant to me. Army of the absolute is ravaging the country-side, killing and pillaging on their way to Baldurs Gate, so people flee towards the city = refugee chrisis. Seems thematically consistant.

Is WItcher 3 woke, because it also had refugees (fleeing the war torn country side)? Is Wasteland 2 woke? Kingdom Come: Deliverence?

men and women in this game are treated exactly the same.

Again, D&D issue. Women and men have always had equal standing in D&D (as lore material is written, homebrews not accounted for, obviously). Though I'll agree I don't like Karlach, and she's written too much like "dude bro #3234", which too be fair, even if she was a man, it'd be off putting.

[Ruffio]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Originally posted by Ruffio:

You should look into how many people each year chose to do lights out because of having issues like this to deal with. Wouldn't put them on a path where such would be avoidable be better? And no, I'm not for force anyone to do anything they don't want to do.

Someone choosing self deletion isn't the same as someone being coerced into something that will ruin their lives, from something they will generally grow out of.

So got many thousand examples of people being coerced? There will always be outlier cases, but those shouldn't be the deciding factor for the whole. People being coerced lead to such as pizzagate too. What and who should be banned for that?

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

What are you on about? Blaming video games? what is this the 90's all over again?

I am simlpy saaying that bg3 is a mature rated game 18+ pegi and you are talking how 'childs' can get groomed? How about parental control? So blame those parents that whine about 'grooming' that dont parental control theyr kids.

I think you're missing the entire point of the conversation...

No one is saying the game is grooming children...

The church I was referring to is the catholic church...

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

Why has this topic turned about real life slavery... >.>




Well if you dont want kids to be groomed, Stop letting your kids buy games rated M+

This particular discussion isn't surrounding the game, but rather the woke ideology injected into the game.

There's simply NO WOKE because its optionial You can simpy say no.

If you cant say no, you're insecure af.

[Laserak]

Originally posted by Mysta67:

Originally posted by Laserak:

I dislike all churches for the same brainwashing they do on youth as modern day ideologues in teaching positions.

The teachings of most religions is to teach people to be good people. So, Brain washing your children to be good people seems adequate to me.

I don't like the concepts surrounding " Do it my way or suffer for eternity ".
Presented to children that is a much more scary concept.

[Laserak]

Originally posted by Mysta67:

Originally posted by LeftPaw:

Those calling the game woke have very little or no knowledge on the subject. The majority of complaints are there simply because there is a enthesis on gay relationship. This does not mean the game is woke. I think it maybe because a large amount of the staff at Larian are gay. or something along those lines.

That's because "Woke" isn't a real word with the exception of, "I woke this person up cause I was trolling too late" the word in it's "new" context is simply annoying imo

It's a lot easier to say than "cult of intersectionality bent on making society conform to it's delusions"

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Grumpy Old Guy:

Originally posted by GamingWithSilvertail:

I am simlpy saaying that bg3 is a mature rated game 18+ pegi and you are talking how 'childs' can get groomed? How about parental control? So blame those parents that whine about 'grooming' that dont parental control theyr kids.

I think you're missing the entire point of the conversation...

No one is saying the game is grooming children...

Laserak person here is litterally talking about grooming, do you even know the definition of grooming? That doesnt revolve around 'adults'.

And this game is mature rated, therefore, children by default should not be able to play the games, if the parents are doing theyr responsibillitys.

[Laserak]

Originally posted by Ruffio:

Originally posted by Laserak:

Someone choosing self deletion isn't the same as someone being coerced into something that will ruin their lives, from something they will generally grow out of.

So got many thousand examples of people being coerced? There will always be outlier cases, but those shouldn't be the deciding factor for the whole. People being coerced lead to such as pizzagate too. What and who should be banned for that?

Any 8 year old claiming they're trans has been coerced.

[Acronen]

Originally posted by Laserak:

Originally posted by smellibear:

Bruh, you were meant to look up who Diogenes is. But I can tell the tl;dr

Long time ago, Plato was like, hey, I have a definition for a man: a featherless biped. Then Diogenes was like, ♥♥♥♥ you, and went to the market and bought a chicken and plucked it. When he came back tio the symposium, he held it up and said Behold, a man!

The point being that certain attributes are coded, called signifiers. Gender a cosntellation of signifiers. For example, breasts are coded as a female signifier. Do all women have breasts? No! And before you jump on me about trans women, I'm talking about women who as example have had breast cancer. Or were born with vulva and uterus but no breasts. This is the logical underpinning of the definition that is most correct

Long winded way of saying adult human female, why also avoiding it.

By your definition, Lae'zel, Shadowheart, Alfira, Jaheira, Minthara, etc. are not women.