Emperor HUGE narative problem. You cant reason with him about Orpheous?

[Shariul]

It is my biggest "WHY IN THE ACTUAL ♥♥♥♥" gripe with the game. THe whole time i was running around saving everybody against imposible odds. I was convincing people to do things they never otherwise would even consider. But i cant ask the guy, that was asking me to trust him the whole game, to trust ME just this once. That tentacle ♥♥♥♥ literaly was watching me do all thouse things, his ultimate goal is to destoy the brain but only option i have: kill the prince or the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ guy will throw a tantrum and immediately side with enemy.
WHF Larian. If there is no way around this, its simple inexcusable thing for you to do in context of the rest of the game.
People will tell you "It game where all desisions are hard and there is not always the right and simple answer". No. That simply incorrect. In BG3, in all meaningfull parts, there is always 100% moraly good thing to do. It can be HARD to do from the "gameplay" standpoint but you CAN do it.
Thats why i was in love with the game. It wasnt tricking you by dangling "good" outcome and then snatching it the moment you got close(like the other "moraly gray" games). If you go balls out, you can anything.
But not with Epmeror and Orpheous? Are kidding me.

I really hope i just didnt fulfill somekind of requirement to do it.

Because otherwise, i feal like i was just been abandoned at the wedding alter after 10 years of happy life together.

[Zef]

Originally posted by Shark:

Originally posted by Zef:

How so?

If you made a deal with him.. sure.

But there are other ways to get the hammer, and dare i say it's the best quest in the entire game.

Oh in my Urge playthrough i didnt have the hammer nor knew theres another way to get it guess imma have to keep playing, was gonna either way hue

Finishing it solo was an experience as just a sorcerer

Enjoy.

The house of hope quest ending has the best boss fight music and arguably the thoughest boss in the entire game.

But it's oh so worth it.

[cfehunter]

To cement the evil manipulator angle.
If you take the domination ending with the emperor controlling the stones, where it's explicitly meant to be a partnership, he dominates you too.

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by .chr:

Originally posted by Shark:

The only thing that makes the Orpheus ending "bad" is you give Raphael the means to conquer the hells

Thats not a guarantee, you can break your contract which leads to the greatest boss fight in the game

Didn't get the option for that

[Zef]

Originally posted by Shark:

Originally posted by .chr:

Thats not a guarantee, you can break your contract which leads to the greatest boss fight in the game

Didn't get the option for that

Go talk with the diabolist in the lower city once you finished Gortash's arc.

She'll tell you what you need to know, you'll get a pouch with ritual items that you need to setup upstairs in order to travel to hell.

[Cadaver]

The best ending is the one Where I killed the emperor, then let Squiddeous dominate the brain for me so i can stab him ad then dominate the brain to take my birth right as baahls chosen

[Zef]

Originally posted by Shark:

The best ending is the one Where I killed the emperor, then let Squiddeous dominate the brain for me so i can stab him ad then dominate the brain to take my birth right as baahls chosen

The best ending is you and Orin going on a murder spree while violently making more baalspawn babies.

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by Zef:

Originally posted by Shark:

Didn't get the option for that

Go talk with the diabolist in the lower city once you finished Gortash's arc.

She'll tell you what you need to know, you'll get a pouch with ritual items that you need to setup upstairs in order to travel to hell.

Oh see the thing is, I made the pact with rapheal literally at the last moment within the astral prism

[Cadaver]

I love the fact that Gortash the Tyrant, was 100% Trustworthy more so than the emperor
Too bad he just gets offed in a single blow by the brain

[Lunar Shower]

Originally posted by Shariul:

It is my biggest "WHY IN THE ACTUAL ♥♥♥♥" gripe with the game. THe whole time i was running around saving everybody against imposible odds. I was convincing people to do things they never otherwise would even consider. But i cant ask the guy, that was asking me to trust him the whole game, to trust ME just this once. That tentacle ♥♥♥♥ literaly was watching me do all thouse things, his ultimate goal is to destoy the brain but only option i have: kill the prince or the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ guy will throw a tantrum and immediately side with enemy.
WHF Larian. If there is no way around this, its simple inexcusable thing for you to do in context of the rest of the game.
People will tell you "It game where all desisions are hard and there is not always the right and simple answer". No. That simply incorrect. In BG3, in all meaningfull parts, there is always 100% moraly good thing to do. It can be HARD to do from the "gameplay" standpoint but you CAN do it.
Thats why i was in love with the game. It wasnt tricking you by dangling "good" outcome and then snatching it the moment you got close(like the other "moraly gray" games). If you go balls out, you can anything.
But not with Epmeror and Orpheous? Are kidding me.

I really hope i just didnt fulfill somekind of requirement to do it.

Because otherwise, i feal like i was just been abandoned at the wedding alter after 10 years of happy life together.

You should really look into how The Emperor reacts and treats you if you are nothing but hostile to him the entire time you know him, from Guardian to Emperor, especially attempting to kill The Guardian during the Creche sequence. Its VERY clear that the Emperor, for all he says, for all he once was, is NOT doing this simply out of the kindness of his heart, nor in your own best interest, but naturally, HIS best interest. After all, he already views you as inferior simply due to him being an Illithid, trying to constantly push upon you that you should simply become one like him, or as close to being one like him as you can up until the final moments. When you do get to hear how he feels about you, how he's been manipulating you the entire time directly from the source, like little more then some toy or experiment to net him greater control and freedom, it really colors all of his interactions with you in that moment.

Just ask yourself, especially if you have gotten to this point, why would one as fabled as Balduran turn on his best friend, the protector of Baldurs Gate, and also so utterly vex and potentially lead to the ruin of his potential latest lover and confidante (puppet) in Stelmane? Simple really, because he is no longer Balduran, no longer the once great adventurer, he possesses only his memories, or I should say the tadpole only possesses those memories. He doesn't feel anymore, he's a mindflayer. A factually soulless being.

Honestly, the closest to, and perhaps only good Mindflayer you encounter in the game is Omeluum. Why would the Emperor want to give up on everything he has done just to free the one being giving him power, AND also one that will, without a shadow of a doubt, slay him for the torments he's continued to force him to suffer. Let alone the fact that The Emperor, unlike the player, is a full on, complete Mindflayer, something that there is simply no return from, and the greatest of enemies for the Gith. Would you, in his position, ever think its a good idea logically to release such a being, especially seeing as how it has ultimately NO foreseeable benefits for you?

Sure, you can convince people like Shadowheart and even Ketheric into actions they would seemingly never embrace, but the truth is, you can only do that because some part of them believes what you say, what you persuade them to do, and they in fact have true emotions and feelings, things the Emperor no longer has as a Mind Flayer.

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Yeah he is a manipulator alright.
A dammed good one.
Even i felt for his hony words until the mask came off.

But joining with the nether brain?
He could have attacked us.
Or flee.
But join with his biggest enemy?

Also i turned into a mind flayer and Orpheous threated me with respect.

To me the choice to join the nether brain feels like an excuees to make him a boss fight.
Instead of logical story progression.

Originally posted by cfehunter:

To cement the evil manipulator angle.
If you take the domination ending with the emperor controlling the stones, where it's explicitly meant to be a partnership, he dominates you too.

Thanks for the warning.

[Arsemoloch]

You cant reason with him because mindflayers are soulless abominations.

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by Lunar Shower:

Originally posted by Shariul:

It is my biggest "WHY IN THE ACTUAL ♥♥♥♥" gripe with the game. THe whole time i was running around saving everybody against imposible odds. I was convincing people to do things they never otherwise would even consider. But i cant ask the guy, that was asking me to trust him the whole game, to trust ME just this once. That tentacle ♥♥♥♥ literaly was watching me do all thouse things, his ultimate goal is to destoy the brain but only option i have: kill the prince or the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ guy will throw a tantrum and immediately side with enemy.
WHF Larian. If there is no way around this, its simple inexcusable thing for you to do in context of the rest of the game.
People will tell you "It game where all desisions are hard and there is not always the right and simple answer". No. That simply incorrect. In BG3, in all meaningfull parts, there is always 100% moraly good thing to do. It can be HARD to do from the "gameplay" standpoint but you CAN do it.
Thats why i was in love with the game. It wasnt tricking you by dangling "good" outcome and then snatching it the moment you got close(like the other "moraly gray" games). If you go balls out, you can anything.
But not with Epmeror and Orpheous? Are kidding me.

I really hope i just didnt fulfill somekind of requirement to do it.

Because otherwise, i feal like i was just been abandoned at the wedding alter after 10 years of happy life together.

You should really look into how The Emperor reacts and treats you if you are nothing but hostile to him the entire time you know him, from Guardian to Emperor, especially attempting to kill The Guardian during the Creche sequence. Its VERY clear that the Emperor, for all he says, for all he once was, is NOT doing this simply out of the kindness of his heart, nor in your own best interest, but naturally, HIS best interest. After all, he already views you as inferior simply due to him being an Illithid, trying to constantly push upon you that you should simply become one like him, or as close to being one like him as you can up until the final moments. When you do get to hear how he feels about you, how he's been manipulating you the entire time directly from the source, like little more then some toy or experiment to net him greater control and freedom, it really colors all of his interactions with you in that moment.

Just ask yourself, especially if you have gotten to this point, why would one as fabled as Balduran turn on his best friend, the protector of Baldurs Gate, and also so utterly vex and potentially lead to the ruin of his potential latest lover and confidante (puppet) in Stelmane? Simple really, because he is no longer Balduran, no longer the once great adventurer, he possesses only his memories, or I should say the tadpole only possesses those memories. He doesn't feel anymore, he's a mindflayer. A factually soulless being.

Honestly, the closest to, and perhaps only good Mindflayer you encounter in the game is Omeluum. Why would the Emperor want to give up on everything he has done just to free the one being giving him power, AND also one that will, without a shadow of a doubt, slay him for the torments he's continued to force him to suffer. Let alone the fact that The Emperor, unlike the player, is a full on, complete Mindflayer, something that there is simply no return from, and the greatest of enemies for the Gith. Would you, in his position, ever think its a good idea logically to release such a being, especially seeing as how it has ultimately NO foreseeable benefits for you?

Sure, you can convince people like Shadowheart and even Ketheric into actions they would seemingly never embrace, but the truth is, you can only do that because some part of them believes what you say, what you persuade them to do, and they in fact have true emotions and feelings, things the Emperor no longer has as a Mind Flayer.

Honestly wither's dialogue also supports this heavily, he constantly reminds you, illithids are just soulless husks

[Cadaver]

Originally posted by Malaficus Shaikan:

Yeah he is a manipulator alright.
A dammed good one.
Even i felt for his hony words until the mask came off.

But joining with the nether brain?
He could have attacked us.
Or flee.
But join with his biggest enemy?

Also i turned into a mind flayer and Orpheous threated me with respect.

To me the choice to join the nether brain feels like an excuees to make him a boss fight.
Instead of logical story progression.

Originally posted by cfehunter:

To cement the evil manipulator angle.
If you take the domination ending with the emperor controlling the stones, where it's explicitly meant to be a partnership, he dominates you too.

Thanks for the warning.

The reason he joins the netherbrain in my view is because he sees no way for you to win against it, he knows you could potentially defeat hi. so by allying with the brain he is hoping for a better position when the brain in his view unstaoppably assimilates him back anyway

[Malaficus Shaikan]

Originally posted by Shark:

The reason he joins the netherbrain in my view is because he sees no way for you to win against it, he knows you could potentially defeat hi. so by allying with the brain he is hoping for a better position when the brain in his view unstaoppably assimilates him back anyway

Far point.
He is a rather sore loser.

So do you guys think that when you turn into mind flayer it is still you or just a mind flayer with your memories?

[['w']]

soon after the soulless wormsack told me that it would be a great idea to devour more worms I started to feel manipulated