This orthon fight is stupidly setup..

[Martin]

The orthon himself isn't so hard to kill, but the sheer number of merrogons and the attacks they get plus the displacers on top.. it's an impossible fight to win.

[Pugo]

There is a really easy way to avoid fighting Yurgir by using charisma: You basically tell him to kill his allies and then himself. It's satisfying

[Martin]

Originally posted by Baaaal:

Climb up to the ledge overlooking the room and the boss, and initiate combat from there with a caster or ranger character. The merregons will clump up under the ledge and try to hit the group with arrows, and you can easily keep throwing bombs at them or AOE them to death. The boss will eventually start making his way to you, but he falls fairly quick. The only thing to look out for is the bombs he keeps throwing, make sure to keep your characters out of their range and throw them back to the boss for huge added damage. The displacer beast is a non-issue, it deals barely any damage as long as you keep killing his clones in a timely manner.

Yeh they threw a load of ticking timebombs at me, first time around they annihilated me, second time, they knocked me out onto my own ice sheet.. i tried using sleet and ice attacks but gale keeps getting his concentration broken.. otherwise I am using the clerics spirit attacks to weaken them together with her high ac that said they got some crits on her for like 25 damage which is like 4x what i can get.

[Elendir Blue]

I sneaked on them and pushed half of them down. Warlock is good for it. They got prone and had to dash up, so I had 2 turn to kill rest or kick them as well.

[RemingtonRyder]

Originally posted by Pugo:

There is a really easy way to avoid fighting Yurgir by using charisma

You can also satisfy his contract which means you don't have to fight him at all.

[Jabberwocky]

I stealthed up on him, got a surprise round, nuked the orthon in two rounds, shredded his minions with AOE spells and then slaughtered the crap out of the displacer beast last.

One short rest later my whole party was fully healed and ready to rumble again.

[Darkside2010]

One lightning bolt and they were all dead ...

[devlos]

I moved to story mode difficulty and killed him after doing this on tactician , i was kinda done with this bullsh#t fight. Only way to win is to get the ambush on him so he's suprised that means you had to kill him before engaging into a convo and charming him onto your side if you don't you can't one shot him or cheese it with barrels and lucky CC , he turns invisible but when you play on tactician he will never get revealed no matter what anti-invisibility passives , potion or spells you use believe me i tried 20 times , meregons ignore walls while shooitng arrows they shoot through the upper floor , complete cheating or bug and then they even use the bombs and throw them at you with a trader meregon that heals everyone around for 30+ heals multiple times for whatever reason and a cat that teleports everywhere and you and makes a shadow of herself both with 100+ HP.

Honestly , i don't even care there is no pattern , the hierachy in turns is butchered all random due to them having higher throws.

[victorvnv]

My rogue / gloom stalker killed them all one by one and they couldn’t find him at any time lol.

Didn’t even have him a chance to talk to me, I was very surprised the second play through when it turned out I can pass peacefully.

[Zygfryd]

First time I got surprised and two party members were downed first turn by an explosion.

Second try I snuck under them to the gazebo, killed the displacer, and everyone else pooled at the edge 1 floor up and presented themselves as a shooting gallery. They couldn't get an angle to shoot back.

Gazebo MVP.

[Zaris]

Killed him now a 2nd time on tactician without any problems. Just the 0815 tactic for any fight: buff bless on your people and haste on the fighters (with great weapon master feat), put 2 fighters in front of him between him and the the cleric / mage on the other side towards the wall. Attack him with fighter and with a bit luck you can act first and kill him first round, with bad luck it's the second round. During the first 2 turns his minions will pile up in the center and let your cleric / mage throw AOEs around (light / thunder cleric).

To get him visible do an AOE dmg on his position or bards "see invisible" spell (tried it out and worked) or just wait until he attacks you again.

Most important thing is to scatter your group, if things go south he can't hit all your people with his AOE crap attacks. In my first run he got lucky and lived for multiple rounds, trashing my group to hell, in my second run i got lucky and killed him in one round.

[Nordil(Hun)]

Originally posted by FembyCat:

There's also a bug in this fight that you can trigger. The first time I did the fight I snuck in behind them up top. Then when the fight triggered it suddenly gave me a cut scene and they finished all on the bottom level without any surprise. That hacked me off since getting there to sneak them involved wasting misty step and dimension door with the party I had.

Anyway, second time I just went to the next room, the displacer came after me, they came at me from above, and I cleared the displacer then the shelf over me, had my melees jump to the shelf and walk it from one end while my ranged/casters went around under the shelf to go up the other side and keep Orthon out of invis.

Careful the bug might not trigger it did not for me. I just killed them via surprise sneak attack from the side. But this way the quest did not advance. So i went Lae'zal inside to trigger the cutscene, then jumped up to the others so enemies lose disadvantage. Some Grease and a confusion spell also helped:P

[PocketYoda]

Why do people have so many issues with dropping the difficulty down.. No one can see you playing. If its too hard there is no dishonour in lowering a setting and moving on..

[Dr. Sinclair]

Originally posted by Daisy Dewdrop Fluffington:

What fight? I just convinced him to kill his minions and then himself lol...

i absolutely love that you can do this

[CostlySpider]

Yeah I do not like the design of fights like that. I tried like I would if I were playing d&d with friends, we walk talk to Boss guy, decide to fight, and its a fair fight.

This one I tried like 4 time to play that way, choose to fight, and just got destroyed, as they have higher ground so many, and depending on start rolls, some times I two of my chars would be down before I even got a turn.

So I did the hey I can find you a way to get out of this deal, every on spread out, one of those merrgons is a trader too. He will sell you something to help with displacer beast.

Then I took the high ground, went into stealth mode, so every one is suprised, so I get a free attack, and of course I won.

Again I just do not like that design, I feel like if I choose to fight, I do not mind battles being hard, but I just felt forced to either skip dialog, sneak and attack. But I want to see as much dialog as possible, so I would miss out on that if I do it that way.

Or choose to lie to him, saying I am going to find him a way out, and then just get a better advantage in the fight. Which I think, and I know they do not do this, some of my party memebers should say hey were not in this fight, so we will not help you as you told him you were going to help him.

Again this is just me I just hate that kind of design, of course you can win, but if you walk in with all your party members at once, and say attack him. You need some really good rng at start of fight to have a shot.

[Tenacity]

Originally posted by Martin:

The orthon himself isn't so hard to kill, but the sheer number of merrogons and the attacks they get plus the displacers on top.. it's an impossible fight to win.

When the orthon goes invisible use cloud of daggers on his last known location. He'll throw all his bombs immediately which will be grazed by the cloud of daggers and he'll self destruct.
Apply standard mob tactics to the rest, crowd control followed by aoe nukes.
It's not a hard fight.