No Dispel Magic?

[mutantspicy]

Anyone know why dispel magic wasn't included? Seems like on the surface would easy to implement, but must have cause some game breaking issue.

[The Custodians of The Cosmos]

Nguyên văn bởi Lminith:

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

Because if anyone in your party has Dispel Magic you can dispel any magical thing in the game. Learn to READ you imbecile.

Troll. Larian spells are not from 5E, they are very loosely based

You're the one who sounds like they are trolling, you cannot comprehend what it takes to make a game, the engine, the code, variables, arrays, entries for this/that.

"if anyone in your party has Dispel Magic you can dispel any magical thing in the game." You can't even refute this either so you called me a troll instead.

You don't even own the f ucking game either so I don't know why you are here, THAT proves you are the troll. Calling me a troll when I succeeded in my reading ability checks unlike you that not only fails these checks but lack the intellect and wisdom ability scores to comprehend what you are reading.

[desrtfox071]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz72rGRQOds&t=1263s

21 minutes in or so. Dispel Magic is dicussed in one of the chapters.

[Lminith]

Nguyên văn bởi Ultimaty:

What's funny to me is...

Making a pile of boxes to break the game is OK,

Using 1000 explosive barrels to instakill a boss, thus break the game is OK.

But casting an official, established, existing spell to break the game is NOT OK?!

Alright, I'm too harsh, but I wish they will keep the spell in mind when they design a next DND game.

That's not even the case though.
Every other game simplified Dispel Magic due to that. On previous TT rules it could also be used for it and games decided to make a combat oriented version.
Most spells on BG3 were changed from 5E some even a lot, but changing Dispel Magic can't do. Better just remove it and lie to everyone.

This is where the gaslighting is, selectively omiting information trying to push forward your narrative leading players to question the spell and the fact that every single other game had it.

[Lminith]

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

Nguyên văn bởi Lminith:

Troll. Larian spells are not from 5E, they are very loosely based

You're the one who sounds like they are trolling, you cannot comprehend what it takes to make a game, the engine, the code, variables, arrays, entries for this/that.

"if anyone in your party has Dispel Magic you can dispel any magical thing in the game." You can't even refute this either so you called me a troll instead.

You don't even own the f ucking game either so I don't know why you are here, THAT proves you are the troll. Calling me a troll when I succeeded in my reading ability checks unlike you that not only fails these checks but lack the intellect and wisdom ability scores to comprehend what you are reading.

Have you been reading what people have been saying about it? No one here requested Dispel Magic to be 100% accurate to 5E. I don't even think there is a spell that is 100% accurate. Yet you keep repeating Larian's gaslighting.
Make a simplified Dispel Magic. Everyone else did.

Oh another angsty teen that his whole existence is on Steam and doesn't know any other platform.

[Ultimaty]

Nguyên văn bởi Lminith:

Nguyên văn bởi Ultimaty:

What's funny to me is...

Making a pile of boxes to break the game is OK,

Using 1000 explosive barrels to instakill a boss, thus break the game is OK.

But casting an official, established, existing spell to break the game is NOT OK?!

Alright, I'm too harsh, but I wish they will keep the spell in mind when they design a next DND game.

That's not even the case though.
Every other game simplified Dispel Magic due to that. On previous TT rules it could also be used for it and games decided to make a combat oriented version.
Most spells on BG3 were changed from 5E some even a lot, but changing Dispel Magic can't do. Better just remove it and lie to everyone.

This is where the gaslighting is, selectively omiting information trying to push forward your narrative leading players to question the spell and the fact that every single other game had it.

I personally would have been OK with modified and/or nerfed version of it.
But completely taking it out? Not cool.

[Gregorovitch]

Nguyên văn bởi desrtfox071:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz72rGRQOds&t=1263s

21 minutes in or so. Dispel Magic is dicussed in one of the chapters.

I watched this video and understood what Sven was saying. So people think Sven is gaslighting? WTF?

Please folks, give one single plausible reason Larian would not implement Dispel Magic if they didn't have a very strong reason not to, that reason being the one Sven gave in this interview. What possible motive could they have?

Just one.

[fluxcapacitormb]

https://www.pcgamer.com/baldurs-gate-3-devs-tried-to-make-dandds-dispel-magic-work-for-a-long-time-but-they-had-to-can-it-it-wouldve-doubled-the-size-of-the-game/#:~:text=%22We%20wanted%20to%20do%20Dispel,Dispel%20Magic%20in%20the%20game.%22

[The Custodians of The Cosmos]

Nguyên văn bởi Lminith:

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

You're the one who sounds like they are trolling, you cannot comprehend what it takes to make a game, the engine, the code, variables, arrays, entries for this/that.

"if anyone in your party has Dispel Magic you can dispel any magical thing in the game." You can't even refute this either so you called me a troll instead.

You don't even own the f ucking game either so I don't know why you are here, THAT proves you are the troll. Calling me a troll when I succeeded in my reading ability checks unlike you that not only fails these checks but lack the intellect and wisdom ability scores to comprehend what you are reading.

Have you been reading what people have been saying about it? No one here requested Dispel Magic to be 100% accurate to 5E. I don't even think there is a spell that is 100% accurate. Yet you keep repeating Larian's gaslighting.
Make a simplified Dispel Magic. Everyone else did.

Oh another angsty teen that his whole existence is on Steam and doesn't know any other platform.

Teen? Mate I'm 29 and waiting on audio files to render, been waiting all day because these are big files. My house is clean, I'm clean, it's too hot to work out right now and everything else is currently in order, trying to come at me with ad hominid attacks without knowing a single thing about me. A bloody teen, HAH! I wish I was a teenager again!

It is NOT gaslighting, you have zero proof because you don't know Absolute SH!T about engines or code. Sit down before you hurt yourself from high blood pressure.

[The Custodians of The Cosmos]

Nguyên văn bởi Lminith:

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

You're the one who sounds like they are trolling, you cannot comprehend what it takes to make a game, the engine, the code, variables, arrays, entries for this/that.

"if anyone in your party has Dispel Magic you can dispel any magical thing in the game." You can't even refute this either so you called me a troll instead.

You don't even own the f ucking game either so I don't know why you are here, THAT proves you are the troll. Calling me a troll when I succeeded in my reading ability checks unlike you that not only fails these checks but lack the intellect and wisdom ability scores to comprehend what you are reading.

Have you been reading what people have been saying about it? No one here requested Dispel Magic to be 100% accurate to 5E. I don't even think there is a spell that is 100% accurate. Yet you keep repeating Larian's gaslighting.
Make a simplified Dispel Magic. Everyone else did.

Oh another angsty teen that his whole existence is on Steam and doesn't know any other platform.

In fact, because your so pent up about it, why do you take some action and learn to mod it in, all your angsty problems will be solved.

[deadsanta]

There are 70~ spells in 5e for level 3 MU, and I think there are like 15-20 in BG3. So they left out dispel, but they kept counterspell, remove curse, and sleet storm to break concentration spells. Cleric gets silence, remove curse, restoration to do the same job. Maybe they figured 1 dispel for everything simplifies it all too much, and the other spells did the same thing anyway, with more flavor?

Even counterspell is a bit boring, IMO. Anyway, something was going to be left back with all the negation spells they had to choose from.

[deadsanta]

Nguyên văn bởi Gregorovitch:

Nguyên văn bởi desrtfox071:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz72rGRQOds&t=1263s

21 minutes in or so. Dispel Magic is dicussed in one of the chapters.

I watched this video and understood what Sven was saying. So people think Sven is gaslighting? WTF?

Please folks, give one single plausible reason Larian would not implement Dispel Magic if they didn't have a very strong reason not to, that reason being the one Sven gave in this interview. What possible motive could they have?

Just one.

Here's one: They had 70 official 3rd level spells to pick from and they were only ever going to code 18 of them or something. So Dispel didn't make the cut, but several other similar effect spells did.

[Lminith]

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

Nguyên văn bởi Lminith:

Have you been reading what people have been saying about it? No one here requested Dispel Magic to be 100% accurate to 5E. I don't even think there is a spell that is 100% accurate. Yet you keep repeating Larian's gaslighting.
Make a simplified Dispel Magic. Everyone else did.

Oh another angsty teen that his whole existence is on Steam and doesn't know any other platform.

Teen? Mate I'm 29 and waiting on audio files to render, been waiting all day because these are big files. My house is clean, I'm clean, it's too hot to work out right now and everything else is currently in order, trying to come at me with ad hominid attacks without knowing a single thing about me. A bloody teen, HAH! I wish I was a teenager again!

It is NOT gaslighting, you have zero proof because you don't know Absolute SH!T about engines or code. Sit down before you hurt yourself from high blood pressure.

I stand corrected then, you only behave as such, a man-child then.
You might want to look back who started making personal attacks.
The proof that you refuse to accept is what has been pointed over and over again, every single game in 25 years has released a simplified Dispel Magic, but for some odd reason that's too complex for Larian and you prefer to blindly believe them.
I actually seem to know more programming than you but I'm not here to flex about it.

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

In fact, because your so pent up about it, why do you take some action and learn to mod it in, all your angsty problems will be solved.

There are already other modders adding spells so if I care I'd lend a hand instead.
That doesn't change the fact that Larian decided not to add Dispel Magic and made excuses for it instead of just saying something like, "we didn't think it was meaningful".
Dispel Magic is actually a pretty relevant spell and without it players can buff pre-fights while AI has no tools against it.
The same happening with things like Sanctuary where Larian didn't understand the consequences of their liberty.

You were 7 when BG2 released, I can understand you not understanding the consequences of the decision, but try to think for your own head. BG and other related games were aware of this, that's why they kept it. While there are other ways to deal with spells all are for different situations.

Try to have more critical thinking instead of blindly following, it will help you in life.

[mutantspicy]

Nguyên văn bởi The Custodians of The Cosmos:

Because if anyone in your party has Dispel Magic you can dispel any magical thing in the game. Learn to READ you imbecile.

I wonder sometimes if any of you guys/gals actually play D&D. That's not how and never has been how the spell works. In 5e, its use in fact is very limited. It only ends spells, active spells. That's all it does. It has no effect on magical items. The reason it works on traps, is because those are active spells, arcane locks and wards are similar. In 3.5e, dispel could temporarily suppress magic items for 1d4 rounds, that aspect was removed from the game when 5e was published. So in this case, they simply do not need to even worry about turning off magic properties from every object in the game, because that is not what the spell actually does. And the fact that you are being so obtuse and defensive about it tells me, you are not a DnD guy at all. Dispel is one of, if not thee oldest spell in the game. Its been around since the beginning. DnD without Dispel Magic is like DnD without magic missile or fireball.

[mutantspicy]

Again for reference. Read the spell. Its not an all powerful, erase all magic from every object in the game level of spell. It was already nerfed pretty hard in 5e. It did have a temporary effect on magic items like armor and weapons in the old days. But it was like suppression for 1d4 rounds. People still implemented it in their games.

Dispel Magic
3 abjuration

Casting Time: 1 action
Range: 120 feet
Target: One creature, object, or magical effect within range
Components: V S
Duration: Instantaneous
Classes: Bard, Cleric, Druid, Paladin, Sorcerer, Warlock, Wizard

Choose one creature, object, or magical effect within range. Any spell of 3rd level or lower on the target ends. For each spell of 4th level or higher on the target, make an ability check using your spellcasting ability. The DC equals 10 + the spell’s level. On a successful check, the spell ends.
At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, you automatically end the effects of a spell on the target if the spell's level is equal to or less than the level of the spell slot you used.

[Oddball]

Just watched the dev video... he clearly says it was too complicated (given the multitude of ways it could be implemented I assume).... not impossible to do, just very problematic and probably would ruin much of the game running around and nullifying magic everywhere.

(But no idea why they bothered with animal speaking and handling though or some of the other stuff hardly ever used in the game... he said those were complicated too for the team)