Defeating Gortash without Killing Duke Ravengard, is there a way?

[PlasteredDragon]

I've already disabled the steel watch, killed Orin and ended the Bhaalist threat, and eliminated Cazador. When I return to the fort I am immediately attacked by the guard there. When I go into the chamber where Gortash is, he has Ravengard by his side and Ravengard is a strong threat and keeps attacking the party... even if you bring Wyll with you. On one attempt Ravengard killed Wyll -- there was no cutscene or anything for it. But If I snuff Ravengard in the fight, Wyll throws a ♥♥♥♥♥ fit when I get back to camp. Gee Wyll, I guess I should have just let your Dad kill the whole party.

So is there any way to get Gortash away from Ravengard or subdue Ravengard so that he doesn't die in the battle?

[PlasteredDragon]

Anyone?

[LArc7thHeaven]

You need to pass the coronation first without battling him. ANYTHING YOU DO TO HELP THE DUKE BEFORE CORONATION WILL SEAL HIS FATE AS DEAD including going to iron forge first or anything. Devs either need to patch this or make coronation a mandatory event to pass to prevent this

[女王 [Queen]]

Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:

I've already disabled the steel watch, killed Orin and ended the Bhaalist threat, and eliminated Cazador. When I return to the fort I am immediately attacked by the guard there. When I go into the chamber where Gortash is, he has Ravengard by his side and Ravengard is a strong threat and keeps attacking the party... even if you bring Wyll with you. On one attempt Ravengard killed Wyll -- there was no cutscene or anything for it. But If I snuff Ravengard in the fight, Wyll throws a ♥♥♥♥♥ fit when I get back to camp. Gee Wyll, I guess I should have just let your Dad kill the whole party.

So is there any way to get Gortash away from Ravengard or subdue Ravengard so that he doesn't die in the battle?

Use the 'knock out' option, there's a thing in your common action section that allows you to enable your next hit not to kill but rather to just knock out, however it can only be done with blunt weapons and your fists

[V1P-3R]

I managed to straight up blow up Gortash, and then knocked Ravenguard unconscious... They apparently didn't account for my ability to run away after Gortash was dead, as the next time I spoke to Mizura, she acted like Ravenguard was dead. I very specifically did not kill him, and fled combat... He should not be dead... Act 3 really falls apart if they cant account for the various order players may choose to do things in.

[aramintai]

Why didn't you save Ravenguard in the the underwater prison?

What I did was I attended his coronation ceremony, then told Wyll to give Mizora a middle finger. Then I went exploring the city and found the submarine and underwater prison on my own. Saved all the gnomes and Wyll's father. Then went and destroyed the Steel Watch with helpful gnomes.
Then sneaked around and on top of the Gortash's fort straight to his room and just killed him in one round and got that achievement for no traps. Easy.

[Krownar]

I didndt found the underwater prison, did you? The duke was imprisoned there.
If you freed him before facing Gortash, he would not be able to use him as hostage.

[Horse'Dib]

Originally posted by LArc7thHeaven:

You need to pass the coronation first without battling him. ANYTHING YOU DO TO HELP THE DUKE BEFORE CORONATION WILL SEAL HIS FATE AS DEAD including going to iron forge first or anything. Devs either need to patch this or make coronation a mandatory event to pass to prevent this

Oh. I see. Damn. I tried many things, but everytime, Absolute burns him to ashes.

[Horse'Dib]

Originally posted by Krownar:

I didndt found the underwater prison, did you? The duke was imprisoned there.
If you freed him before facing Gortash, he would not be able to use him as hostage.

He was'nt there when I went there... There was only another lady.

[Sentient_Toaster]

The underwater prison, not the Wyrm's Rock prison.

It's the same underwater prison in where the families of the slaves at the Foundry are being held.

[RemmyStab_ya]

Originally posted by .chr:

Originally posted by PlasteredDragon:

I've already disabled the steel watch, killed Orin and ended the Bhaalist threat, and eliminated Cazador. When I return to the fort I am immediately attacked by the guard there. When I go into the chamber where Gortash is, he has Ravengard by his side and Ravengard is a strong threat and keeps attacking the party... even if you bring Wyll with you. On one attempt Ravengard killed Wyll -- there was no cutscene or anything for it. But If I snuff Ravengard in the fight, Wyll throws a ♥♥♥♥♥ fit when I get back to camp. Gee Wyll, I guess I should have just let your Dad kill the whole party.

So is there any way to get Gortash away from Ravengard or subdue Ravengard so that he doesn't die in the battle?

Use the 'knock out' option, there's a thing in your common action section that allows you to enable your next hit not to kill but rather to just knock out, however it can only be done with blunt weapons and your fists

In the current versions that doesn't work. When you knock him out something else kills him, like he got the orange burn effect when you burn someone to death. Gale even made a comment when I did it saying something along the lines of "that was not a killing blow". So my understanding of the situation is that Mizora interferes and kills Ravenguard so she can manipulate Wyll.

[Edmund Greyfox]

Originally posted by RemmyStab_ya:

Originally posted by .chr:

Use the 'knock out' option, there's a thing in your common action section that allows you to enable your next hit not to kill but rather to just knock out, however it can only be done with blunt weapons and your fists

In the current versions that doesn't work. When you knock him out something else kills him, like he got the orange burn effect when you burn someone to death. Gale even made a comment when I did it saying something along the lines of "that was not a killing blow". So my understanding of the situation is that Mizora interferes and kills Ravenguard so she can manipulate Wyll.

That was my experience when i did this fight last night as well. Tried to knock him out, he dies anyway, and along comes Mizora with a new deal for Wyll. Reminds me of Shadowhearts quest conclusion. It's almost like the quests had the same writer, and the writer wasn't interested in truly happy endings.

[Don Carmolo]

I made the alliance with Gortash and stuck to it. Let's just say that the problem took care of itself and I got the loot anyways.

[Nostyec]

You cannot knock the duke out, as this will result in him being killed- I can also confirm that. However, If you just run away after you killed Gortash you can talk with Mizora. This will trigger a dialog that seems to belong to the coronation. And you can progress the personal quest for Wyll.
Disengaging from the fight is pretty tricky as you cannot get enough distance in the direction towards baldurs gate (where Mizora stands) as the duke can see you from the balcony. I split my party up - hid most next to Mizora and flew with one (not hidden) character to Wyrmscrossing to get enough distance to disengage. You can then talk to the devil and progress the quest.
After a long rest, the duke remains in the fortress and is still hostile. You can sneak around him to keep him alive.
In the Quest I chose not the sign the contract and therefore not to save the duke. The Questlog updated with the information that we stopped following the fate of the duke. But nothing in the questlog indicates that the duke died. However, some dialog options with Mizora imply the duke's death.
I haven't finished the game and I, therefore, don't know if the duke will be still alive in the epilog, but for now, I can still find him in the fortress alive and kicking.

[Falcorn_Buttcheeks]

Originally posted by Edmund Greyfox:

Originally posted by RemmyStab_ya:

In the current versions that doesn't work. When you knock him out something else kills him, like he got the orange burn effect when you burn someone to death. Gale even made a comment when I did it saying something along the lines of "that was not a killing blow". So my understanding of the situation is that Mizora interferes and kills Ravenguard so she can manipulate Wyll.

That was my experience when i did this fight last night as well. Tried to knock him out, he dies anyway, and along comes Mizora with a new deal for Wyll. Reminds me of Shadowhearts quest conclusion. It's almost like the quests had the same writer, and the writer wasn't interested in truly happy endings.

I just got to this part as well and experienced the same problem. What you have to do is have wyll with you and talk to mizora who has a proposal for wyll. Even if you knock out duke ravenguard, he still gets burned to death by the absolute immediately. In my opinion, act 3 starts to fall apart story wise. I was doing everything else except the coronation, did the iron throne and rescued everyone (Duke ravenguard wasn't there though for whatever reason), destroyed the steel watch foundry since before heading to coronation, the game warns you that it might be more challenging if you go in to attend coronation. The only things I didn't do was kill Orin since she took halsim hostage and said that she will kill him unless I kill gortash first and I didn't attend coronation. Everything else in act 3 is already finished just for context

[seeker1]

Ravengard only gets sent to Iron Throne after the inauguration. If you attend the inauguration, it's him who makes Gortash the Arch Duke in a ceremony. He will only be sent there afterwards.

I have never skipped it.