-2 Weakened Intelligence after Zaith`isk

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Lae`zel got this passive feature after her use of that device. Is there a way to restore her intelligence stats? Some scrolls, potions? Or is this parmanent?

[Shozou]

Skill issue.

[Professor Hugedix]

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

You may say all that, but you're wrong when you say it. This thread amounts to a bunch of people trying to prove they're better at roleplaying than other people while proving the opposite to be true.. Yes, "bad game design" is a buzzphrase used by people who want their opinion to have more weight than if they said "I didn't like it" but you lot saying "it's your own fault" are doing the exact same thing.

The best we can do is attempt to help them rectify it thru internal or external means at the end of the day, mods, cheat engines, trainers, sounds like in game no way to remove them the consequences of ignoring the guardian reered its head, however the -stats are avoidable if you pass the checks but this is the failure result. AND it does suck i wont argue but that's all we can offer.
That or save scum and pass the checks.

My assumption is that people are disappointed that a permanent stat reduction that resists magical cures that specify that they're supposed to cure that exact thing isn't a dangling plot hook for a further quest, but rather something you're just supposed to live with as a resolution to the subplot. The comparisons to a real tabletop game fall flat here since in an actual campaign I can't imagine a player being satisfied with such a penalty if it weren't leading to something.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originally posted by Professor Hugedix:

Originally posted by KingOfFriedChicken:

The best we can do is attempt to help them rectify it thru internal or external means at the end of the day, mods, cheat engines, trainers, sounds like in game no way to remove them the consequences of ignoring the guardian reered its head, however the -stats are avoidable if you pass the checks but this is the failure result. AND it does suck i wont argue but that's all we can offer.
That or save scum and pass the checks.

My assumption is that people are disappointed that a permanent stat reduction that resists magical cures that specify that they're supposed to cure that exact thing isn't a dangling plot hook for a further quest, but rather something you're just supposed to live with as a resolution to the subplot. The comparisons to a real tabletop game fall flat here since in an actual campaign I can't imagine a player being satisfied with such a penalty if it weren't leading to something.

i agree with you on that front i was a bit disappointed to hear the hag eye had its plot stuff cut it seems, i think they could make it a high end spell the remove it so you have to hold unto it till then but if it has no plot relevance then it is just a slog of a debuff on many levels. i would personally live with it cuz the game is so easy already but i do get that perspective.

[Tonysharp420]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Dr. Sinclair:

permanently gimping your character because of a choice that is, by the way, extremely reliant on RNG trough 3 dice rolls without giving you a way to reverse it is not good game design. the hag's eye atleast gives you something else to compensate for it's drawback, wether the bonus is worth it or not is up to you to decide.
meanwhile this thing just ♥♥♥♥♥ you over for failing a few rolls.

You as the player have EVERY opportunity and warning not to engage with the Gith.
Then every warning that the big ugly brain probe machine is bad juju.
Then every opportunity to STOP playing with the bad juju lobotomizer.

If you keep going, reap what you sow.

You're not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ helping anyone. You just sound like a fanboy ♥♥♥♥. The game is fantastic but that doesn't make it perfect by any stretch. I have had several bugs already and im in act 1 including a a bug that has a permanent exclamation point of wylls head. Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tool and look at the game objectively and try to help people who are struggling you goof loser.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Tonysharp420:

Originally posted by Toblm:

You as the player have EVERY opportunity and warning not to engage with the Gith.
Then every warning that the big ugly brain probe machine is bad juju.
Then every opportunity to STOP playing with the bad juju lobotomizer.

If you keep going, reap what you sow.

You're not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ helping anyone. You just sound like a fanboy ♥♥♥♥. The game is fantastic but that doesn't make it perfect by any stretch. I have had several bugs already and im in act 1 including a a bug that has a permanent exclamation point of wylls head. Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tool and look at the game objectively and try to help people who are struggling you goof loser.

Minor bugs are minor bugs.
Consequences for player actions are something else entirely. Objectively, consequences for player actions are what make RPGs enjoyable.
As for people 'struggling,' its an easy fix. Load a save. Or don't.

[Cacomistle]

Originally posted by Tonysharp420:

Originally posted by Toblm:

You as the player have EVERY opportunity and warning not to engage with the Gith.
Then every warning that the big ugly brain probe machine is bad juju.
Then every opportunity to STOP playing with the bad juju lobotomizer.

If you keep going, reap what you sow.

You're not ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ helping anyone. You just sound like a fanboy ♥♥♥♥. The game is fantastic but that doesn't make it perfect by any stretch. I have had several bugs already and im in act 1 including a a bug that has a permanent exclamation point of wylls head. Stop being a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ tool and look at the game objectively and try to help people who are struggling you goof loser.

This isn't a bug. Its a pretty obvious outcome of having a poorly put together machine tear through your head. Well, sort of, honestly if I didn't know what it did I'd expect it just kills you.

Whatever you did to get a permanent exclamation over wyll's head was a bug, and I'm betting you don't even know what caused it because there is no reason to expect any action you take would have that result.

In other words, bugs and intended consequences are not comparable.

[Cocidius]

No it's permanent, like Hag eye.

[Valtaya]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Originally posted by Valtaya:

Its a game, it is escapism. People do not need RL crap in their entertainment, which they use to get away from the RL crap. There are peole like you and there are people like him. Whats wrong with it to satisfy both?

Nothing. Which is why the save system exists and works in conversations.

True, unfortunately it does not prevent, that there are people who call this "save scumming" which one should not do. Some people take such sh** talk very seriously, some do not care at all, and some just stimply do not want to do it, no matter the cost, even when they have to complain afterwards :D. This whole "subject" could just be avoided IF Larian would come down from their high horse and just think for a second. For the ridiculously high skill checks, you get some realy big LaeZel approval, but for what, it is not necessary in the slightest... they could reduce it to normal level and increasae the skill check by 1 point to that of the player main. This way the crowd that loves failure and consequences is please, but so is the other side that just want a "fighting" chance. Win Win and because everyone is happy, win for Larian as well. But no, Larian does as Larian does, pleases just the one side, and that one side ridicules the other side. I think that is not well for business on the one hand, and also not good for humanity in large on the other.

[Toblm]

Originally posted by Valtaya:

Originally posted by Toblm:

Nothing. Which is why the save system exists and works in conversations.

True, unfortunately it does not prevent, that there are people who call this "save scumming" which one should not do. Some people take such sh** talk very seriously, some do not care at all, and some just stimply do not want to do it, no matter the cost, even when they have to complain afterwards :D. This whole "subject" could just be avoided IF Larian would come down from their high horse and just think for a second. For the ridiculously high skill checks, you get some realy big LaeZel approval, but for what, it is not necessary in the slightest... they could reduce it to normal level and increasae the skill check by 1 point to that of the player main. This way the crowd that loves failure and consequences is please, but so is the other side that just want a "fighting" chance. Win Win and because everyone is happy, win for Larian as well. But no, Larian does as Larian does, pleases just the one side, and that one side ridicules the other side. I think that is not well for business on the one hand, and also not good for humanity in large on the other.

Its a single player game. Save scum, cheat, mod. Call it what you want, play it how want. That doesnt make the initial game design bad.

Its a high skill check because its a high risk high reward situation that well warned about and entirely avoidable AND optional. Not everything in a well designed DnD game should easy or even possible depending on party composition.

[EnemigoDeLaMafia]

So I just re-tried the sequence with main character. Turns out there's a perception check once youre inside that tells you you'll be permanently crippled (This is not the check to examine the machine before you get in). Laezel doesn't have the same luck.

Its also feasible to get away with main character, without checks.

The game simply hates Laezel, just as we do.

[Archon]

Originally posted by DuoX:

I got Int and Constitution weakened on my player character. It is permanent. I had to redo 10 hours of gameplay or quit. So I quit.

skill issue

[DuoX]

Originally posted by Cocidius:

No it's permanent, like Hag eye.

According to 5E rules greater restoration should heal the hag eye and the weakened debuff, but it doesn't. So as far as I'm concerned the debufss are a bug that needs to be fixed.

Originally posted by GetUrAssToMars:

Guardian warns you not to mess with it. Can you trust them? Can you trust Lae Zael's judgement? Pretty well constructed scenario of player driven agency imo.

Awesome button gamer generation starting to feel the burn in mainstream gaming. Cry more.

I let Lae Zael go first. Dumb broad wouldn't listen.

The guardian gives you terrible advice the entire game. Why trust him this time ?

[pr1mus]

Originally posted by Phereon:

Well Well Well, if it isnt the CONSEQUENCES OF MY ACTIONS!

meanwhile the game has zero consequences for tapping into evil illithid powers and shoving a dozen alien mind control parasites into your brain lol

[Shadow Darkraven]

I kinda wish the game let her die right there and then because I was actively choosing to let her continue with the treatment

[Valtaya]

Originally posted by Toblm:

Its a high skill check because its a high risk high reward situation that well warned about and entirely avoidable AND optional. Not everything in a well designed DnD game should easy or even possible depending on party composition.

Hm, I would agree here, high risk high reward, but where is the high reward? I only see it in the very huge approval plus from LaeZel, but at that point she is already very close to exceptional (well at least for me as I only did this creche shortly before the Shadowfell). I wonder, when you go Mountain Pass first, that huge approval increase would, most likely, bring LaeZel from neutral close to exceptional, but is it worth it? We can still go through the Underdark, Grymforge and ShadowCursed Lands and get the approval up that way.