Thought intimidation was a strength check..

[Martin]

Larian just making it up as they go along? I get 2 rolls of a d20 against a charisma check of 21.. why? Why not just make it an instant fail instead of just wasting my time?

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You know what this is? A reload the game check.

[Martin]

Originally posted by AzureTheGamerKobold:

Originally posted by Martin:

I hate dnd, haven't played it for 20-25 years... I like rpg games.. I absolutely detest dnd.

All the checks are charisma checks, intimidation, persuasion, deception... should be Str, Wis and Dex checks.. but apparently you can just change the rules as you wish, so now I have to go back to camp, reroll my character to high Chr to win 1 stupid roll.. for a tiny part of the game..

Ok.. feels like i'm cheating or scumming the game, cheesing it maybe.. but sure larian if that's the deal.. I'll take it.

I hate dnd but bought this dnd game so i can complain about it---got it. FYI go play something else you won't like this DND GAME! cause ya know its dnd...

FYI intimidate has never been str or con its always been charisma even in 3.0 and it didn't exist in 2e... so you either miss remembering or making ♥♥♥♥ up.

400+ hours.. and apparently I don't like the game.. wow.

You nailed it.. I never said it was I said "I thought" it was... it's right there in the title..

[NoShotz]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by Elizadeath:

in 5e, charisma covers all the "talkey" skills. that being said, it specifies that in the DM's guide that a DM can make an exception and let a player use STR over CHA on some occasions. its a bespoke thing that isn't meant to be the general rule, and so that 'exceptions only' ruling would not work in a game like BG3. one of those oddities brought about by bringing modern dnd to a game

Except of course when it does.. for example I can use my spell ability for my weapon damage if I use bind weapon So I can purposefully make my character weak in str and use chr as my weapon damage.. which is cool.. doesn't make an ounce of sense but I'm cool with it.

The difference here is that that's not an exception, cause that is literally just how some abilities are built in DnD, they are supposed to be like that.

[Lithurge]

Originally posted by Martin:

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How do you intimidate someone? It's your size and strength.. how pretty you are doesn't intimidate anyone... well not me at least.

Then I go back and the game chooses to talk to gale.. who has 10 chr.. what a load of bs. Reload.. 3rd time now.

Sure physical size can be intimidating but it's not the only way somebody can be intimidating. Neither does charisma automatically translate to being good looking. A lot of the time it's about having confidence and self belief.

When it comes to the game it uses the idea of talking people into believing what your saying, hence using charisma as the base.

[High Foodcourt]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by High Foodcourt:

this is a dungeons and dragons game.

It's a role playing game.. the dice rolls are made to look like dnd and I try largely to ignore that part of the game.. I'm not really interested in it, my sons play dnd every week, they love bg3 and even they say they'd never play these rules.. they play a modded dnd.. a fairer, smarter system.. which I think makes more sense it's just a pity larian doesn't think so.

it is literally a dungeons and dragons PC game, a licensed d&d product.

[NoShotz]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by NoShotz:

No, literally everything comes from DnD, the spells, the amounts of damage they do, the movement rules when in combat, the creatures and races. There is no way to separate the DnD from BG3, they are one in the same.

Yeh.. you're missing out the dungeon master who guides the players.. who makes exceptions to the rules.. so no not really the same.. like Sea Water and Fresh Water aren't the same.

The DM in this case is the narrator, as it's what describes stuff when you do certain actions and encounter things. Also you yourself are somewhat the DM, cause you can choose to reload a save to redo a ability check, in essence making an exception to the rules.

[Martin]

Originally posted by High Foodcourt:

it is literally a dungeons and dragons PC game, a licensed d&d product.

Yep and in relation to my op.. your point is what exactly?

[NoShotz]

Originally posted by Martin:

Originally posted by High Foodcourt:

it is literally a dungeons and dragons PC game, a licensed d&d product.

Yep and in relation to my op.. your point is what exactly?

His point is that you bought a DnD game and expected it to not play like a DnD game.

[jdpvagabond]

Intimidation is not what you are, but how you leverage what you have (or convincing someone you have, regardless of whether you actually do or not). You can be a 7ft 350lbs mountain of muscle and still come off as a harmless teddy bear, so being strong alone isn't enough to actively intimidate someone. Charisma isn't 'looking pretty,' it's your capacity to utilize whatever you have to make an impression on someone, whether it's casual conversation or actually presenting yourself as a threat.

In the tabletop version you could talk with the DM about utilizing your strength in a display to either gain a bonus for your intimidation or use it in place of charisma for that specific instance, but that's the sort of flexibility that isn't really able to be represented as easily in a video game. C'est la vie, we get what we get.

[Overeagerdragon]

Originally posted by jdpvagabond:

Intimidation is not what you are, but how you leverage what you have (or convincing someone you have, regardless of whether you actually do or not). You can be a 7ft 350lbs mountain of muscle and still come off as a harmless teddy bear, so being strong alone isn't enough to actively intimidate someone. Charisma isn't 'looking pretty,' it's your capacity to utilize whatever you have to make an impression on someone, whether it's casual conversation or actually presenting yourself as a threat.

In the tabletop version you could talk with the DM about utilizing your strength in a display to either gain a bonus for your intimidation or use it in place of charisma for that specific instance, but that's the sort of flexibility that isn't really able to be represented as easily in a video game. C'est la vie, we get what we get.

This is part of the reason why I haven't swapped to 5E... a 3.5E addendum lists the "strength of character" feat; which allows you to use strength for Intimidate, Deception and Persuasion

[Sir Reborn]

Confused about what you're confused about.

1. The game is a *near* identical copy to DnD ruleset and gameplay. Yes, there are some differences, but at the very least everything you're experiencing has ALWAYS been like that. No "rules" are being changed.

2. A DC 21 check is not by any means an "instant fail". It's quite easy to get +5 or +10 to whatever stat in the early acts. By act 3 you can even get something crazy like +17 in persuasion.

3. You're not "meant" to respec your character
4. You're not "meant" to re-roll saves
5. You're not "meant" to pass every check. If that was the case, it wouldn't be a game that solves things with dice rolls.

That's not to say you CAN'T re-roll a save to pass an important check that you REALLY want to pass, if that's how you choose to play the game. There's just as many people that refuse to re-roll saves as there is that re-roll.

I personally choose to play the game without rerolling saves, because failure is an inherint part of both DnD and this game. The story branches and expands so much even for various failed saves, that you're completely missing out on by thinking you "need" to pass every check.

Again, thats just how I choose to play. Many others choose to re-roll saves for important checks, and that's completely fine if that's how you choose to play the game. But at the very least, for something like:

"so now I have to go back to camp, reroll my character to high Chr to win 1 stupid roll.. for a tiny part of the game"

For a check that's just a "tiny" insignificant part of the game, I don't understand why you'd even bother rerolling or respec'ing.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by Sir Reborn:

Confused about what you're confused about.

1. The game is a *near* identical copy to DnD ruleset and gameplay. Yes, there are some differences, but at the very least everything you're experiencing has ALWAYS been like that. No "rules" are being changed.

2. A DC 21 check is not by any means an "instant fail". It's quite easy to get +5 or +10 to whatever stat in the early acts. By act 3 you can even get something crazy like +17 in persuasion.

3. You're not "meant" to respec your character
4. You're not "meant" to re-roll saves
5. You're not "meant" to pass every check. If that was the case, it wouldn't be a game that solves things with dice rolls.

That's not to say you CAN'T re-roll a save to pass an important check that you REALLY want to pass, if that's how you choose to play the game. There's just as many people that refuse to re-roll saves as there is that re-roll.

I personally choose to play the game without rerolling saves, because failure is an inherint part of both DnD and this game. The story branches and expands so much even for various failed saves, that you're completely missing out on by thinking you "need" to pass every check.

Again, thats just how I choose to play. Many others choose to re-roll saves for important checks, and that's completely fine if that's how you choose to play the game. But at the very least, for something like:

"so now I have to go back to camp, reroll my character to high Chr to win 1 stupid roll.. for a tiny part of the game"

For a check that's just a "tiny" insignificant part of the game, I don't understand why you'd even bother rerolling or respec'ing.

Last post: 20. August 2023