Larian ruined the game for me

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After playing several hours i was always confused why my dices always roll 1-2-3 and its so hard to get high dice rolls. I now discovered the reason for this.
The karmatic dices. Why the F is this even enabled as a standard? IT SHOULD BE DISABLED AS A STANDARD.
Trough my journey i wanted to play my first playtrough by save and load to repeat the rolls, this caused that my char basicaly won every roll in its active playtrough, this on the other site the karmatic dice seems now to balance by making me fail any future roll and makes me miss 90% of time in my battles. Even with fully build out theft skills i always end up rolling a 1 or a 3 that prevents me from successing. If i load it happens again, i even tried that on a lock that required a roll of 20, my thief has a bonus of 10-13 and be sure i needed 50 attempts to finaly win that, 50 times loading and retrying, and everytime it ended on a number that would make me fail, even if i had a number close to winning it didnt hit above the 10 into the 11-13 bonus.

Karmatic dices should not even be a thing, and for sure they should not be enabled as a standard option.

Im so disapointed by this option and it killed all my fun for the game. Now that i played for so long and i know that the game cheated me. I dont want to start over again, thanks Larian for killing my fun.

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Originally posted by Deylendor:

As a fellow Slovenian you disappoint me.

Whats your nonsense comment about? As formerly mentioned, such comments that add nothing to the conversation, what are they of use for? Should i give anything about disapointing you? NO, hell i dont even know you.

So all i can see here are a small amount of people willingly to approach a conversation, several people agree with me, then some people like you that give unneccessary comments like "banned" or "im disapointed of you", comments i couldnt care less for. And then there are those that are substitute offended for Larian, some fan-andys that cant handle their beloved game gets criticism. And there are just the last ones, those that just come in here to insult me on personal level. They attack me for save/load, which is noone of their business and has nothing to do with the topic about enabled or disabled karmic dice as standard.
Just a weak attempt to attack me on the personal level, which i too couldnt give less about, because i play the game as intended by the creator via settings, and how i play inside the game is up to me, and my first playtrough will be save/load, so i can enjoy all the miss rolls with my friends in co-op.

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Originally posted by Buzzn:

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

Did you try it? I did try it, i play the game this way since i started, and the rolls got worser and worser with each won/saved approach trough the game.

Well, I didn't reload a save dozens of times, for sure. But I played with karmic dice on for the first 3 levels, and didn't notice anything like what you are saying.
I also believe the devs more, when they're saying that that's not how it works in the tooltip and in a patchnote no less, than your gut feelings.

If you did not save/load then the karmic dice will not affect you hard, because it will balance you trough the game. If you save/load you prevent the game from giving you a bad result, because each time it is bad, you reload and roll again. So for the game it looks like you are only winning any roll, so the karmic dice will try harder and harder to make you lose your roll.
I could be wrong aswell, and maybe im just having the worst bad luck strike in my life for constantly rolling those low numbers to guaranted fail. But shouldnt the karmic dice then regulate it? And work against it? How come it doesnt hit in in this case? How come i have to reroll a picking that i have a chance to win for over 70% possibility 50 times to get it?
It doesnt add up. If karmic dice is there to prevent that it should at least in those 50 loads made me win way sooner, on the 2 or 4 attempt. Because any number from 7-20 would be a win, so how come for 50 loads and rolls the karmic dice refused to give me the neccessary roll to win?

[Buzzn]

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

Originally posted by Buzzn:

Well, I didn't reload a save dozens of times, for sure. But I played with karmic dice on for the first 3 levels, and didn't notice anything like what you are saying.
I also believe the devs more, when they're saying that that's not how it works in the tooltip and in a patchnote no less, than your gut feelings.

If you did not save/load then the karmic dice will not affect you hard, because it will balance you trough the game. If you save/load you prevent the game from giving you a bad result, because each time it is bad, you reload and roll again. So for the game it looks like you are only winning any roll, so the karmic dice will try harder and harder to make you lose your roll.
I could be wrong aswell, and maybe im just having the worst bad luck strike in my life for constantly rolling those low numbers to guaranted fail. But shouldnt the karmic dice then regulate it? And work against it? How come it doesnt hit in in this case? How come i have to reroll a picking that i have a chance to win for over 70% possibility 50 times to get it?
It doesnt add up. If karmic dice is there to prevent that it should at least in those 50 loads made me win way sooner, on the 2 or 4 attempt. Because any number from 7-20 would be a win, so how come for 50 loads and rolls the karmic dice refused to give me the neccessary roll to win?

Who knows? Maybe karmic dice won't work on reloads. I also heard from people getting long bad streaks with karmic dice on. So maybe their effects are pretty mild or they don't work at all.

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Originally posted by Buzzn:

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

If you did not save/load then the karmic dice will not affect you hard, because it will balance you trough the game. If you save/load you prevent the game from giving you a bad result, because each time it is bad, you reload and roll again. So for the game it looks like you are only winning any roll, so the karmic dice will try harder and harder to make you lose your roll.
I could be wrong aswell, and maybe im just having the worst bad luck strike in my life for constantly rolling those low numbers to guaranted fail. But shouldnt the karmic dice then regulate it? And work against it? How come it doesnt hit in in this case? How come i have to reroll a picking that i have a chance to win for over 70% possibility 50 times to get it?
It doesnt add up. If karmic dice is there to prevent that it should at least in those 50 loads made me win way sooner, on the 2 or 4 attempt. Because any number from 7-20 would be a win, so how come for 50 loads and rolls the karmic dice refused to give me the neccessary roll to win?

Who knows? Maybe karmic dice won't work on reloads. I also heard from people getting long bad streaks with karmic dice on. So maybe their effects are pretty mild or they don't work at all.

Hard to say, but all i want is the change to be made that karmic dice is set on off as standard in the settings. So people can enjoy the real D&D feeling, no matter if they save or just accept any result as it comes. I dont like my dice rigged, not to benefit me and not to put me in a disadventage.

[Buzzn]

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

Originally posted by Buzzn:

Who knows? Maybe karmic dice won't work on reloads. I also heard from people getting long bad streaks with karmic dice on. So maybe their effects are pretty mild or they don't work at all.

Hard to say, but all i want is the change to be made that karmic dice is set on off as standard in the settings. So people can enjoy the real D&D feeling, no matter if they save or just accept any result as it comes. I dont like my dice rigged, not to benefit me and not to put me in a disadventage.

I hear you, but I don't think it will happen. Karmic dice is mostly a feature that benefits newbies. And newbies are the ones the least likely to fiddle around in the options menu.

[der1Horn]

Lel. karmic dice might actually saved you a.. the game is far more difficult with "random" dice.

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Originally posted by der1Horn:

Lel. karmic dice might actually saved you a.. the game is far more difficult with "random" dice.

Not in the case of save/load. And i just got my personal prove for that.
My thief was stuck yesterday with karmic dice on on the trap in the underworld by the "eye". I loaded 100 and more times yesterday to get that 30 roll success. I know chances are small, but the karmic dice keept giving me numbers bellow 10, mostly 1-2-3. i never hit a 17-18-19 which were the only numbers to success this roll if im lucky on the 1-4 add to get 2-4.
So remember i tried this 100 of times and i only had a 20 once, but a 20 is a instant fail because it doesnt add the thiefs skills to the count.
Just now i loged in the game, turned off the karmic dice, rolled, and my first roll was a 17, i didnt success because i only got +1 on that 1-4, but it was the first 17 for since over 100 rolls. so i load continued, now i got a 16 a 11 and then a 19, and with the 19 i got a +2 on the 1-4 and BAMM, hit the 30, after 4 reloads. So dont tell me karmic dices arent manipulating your result. Cant be i did 100 of rolls yesterday with it activated never successing because my char never "lost a roll" in rolling history due to save/load, so the karmic dice wasnt about to let me win this one, no matter how often i reloaded and reroled.
But the moment i turn it off and roll all the by the karmic dice blocked numbers suddenly are aviable. It maybe no proof for you, but for me it clearly is.

As i said, if you play without save/load to always win, karmic dice will not be visible for you, it will make you lose one, win one, and balance your overall rolls. But if you prevent the karmic dice from balancing by loading when you lose, and roll till you win, the dice will build up a wall against successing, and that wall will get thicker and thicker then more you save won rolls and continue, till you get to the point where it gets nearly impossible to win the roll due to rigged dices.

[Alex_x86]

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

That's why I like DOS2 more: fixed skillcheck and guaranteed damage so there is no even though to savescum.

Oh DOS2 is great, the atmosphery is just a bid boring, the atmosphery of BD3 is on another level compared to DOS2. But yeah, DOS2 is an enjoyable game.
But dont use the term "savescum" it counts as offensive. There is many ways to play a game.
And everyone who played with Karmic dices activated basicaly is a "savescum", or dice cheater, because they cheated on all rolls.
So the game having that setting enabled as standard is making anyone playing it and not changing the settings a cheater toward the D&D game system.

Actually I found BG3 atmosphere quite boring compared to the one from DOS2 (I completed BG3 and the ending is quite a boring as well). But it is matter of taste I guess.

"Savescumming" is not offensive -- it is actual term that is even used in the setting of some games (XCOM comes to mind first). Just take it bit easy.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Overeagerdragon:

Originally posted by hannibal_pjv:

The dice are for people who newer play D&D and newer save scum…
It was also said in many plases that there is option of using the karmic dice. So my personal first thing to do was to look all setting and turn this off, because it is not D&D for me.
But I understand why they did put it in the game. I magine a person with no D&D experience and rolling 20 times in row 1,2 or 3… (that can easily happen in real tabletop RPG) this is feature that makes it so that you maybe get 3 to 4 bad rolls in row and after that you get ”lucky” roll because you did have bad luck in the beginning. This does not suit if you save scum, because of the balancing effect. (Aka being too lucky to be realistic)
It is good option to many gamers! But it is not good game cheaters and pure D&D die heart funs. Because this game is made for ”most of the people” it is defaulted on. If you don´t belong that group, there is option to turn it off. It is not a big deal and it newer was a secrect.

..... I rolled "natural 1" 8 times in a row with the karmic dice option turned on.... I seriously doubt the karmic dice option is even working on whether it's just a placebo option. For reference; that's a chance of 1 in 256.000.000.000.000.

Thats hilarious.

Cause thats not what karmic ever does to me XD


And the one time I hit a 1... boohoo. I also save scummed with it w/o problem XD

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Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

Oh DOS2 is great, the atmosphery is just a bid boring, the atmosphery of BD3 is on another level compared to DOS2. But yeah, DOS2 is an enjoyable game.
But dont use the term "savescum" it counts as offensive. There is many ways to play a game.
And everyone who played with Karmic dices activated basicaly is a "savescum", or dice cheater, because they cheated on all rolls.
So the game having that setting enabled as standard is making anyone playing it and not changing the settings a cheater toward the D&D game system.

Actually I found BG3 atmosphere quite boring compared to the one from DOS2 (I completed BG3 and the ending is quite a boring as well). But it is matter of taste I guess.

"Savescumming" is not offensive -- it is actual term that is even used in the setting of some games (XCOM comes to mind first). Just take it bit easy.

Okey, the word "scum" in it just sounds offensive, didnt know they use it as a regular term somewhere.

[Coldflame]

does karmic dice even work this way? i haven't had it on but i assumed it was designed to break unlucky streaks whilst allowing lucky ones

[Buzzn]

Originally posted by Coldflame:

does karmic dice even work this way? i haven't had it on but i assumed it was designed to break unlucky streaks whilst allowing lucky ones

That's excactly what it's supposed to do. I believe OP is simply mistaken.

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Originally posted by Coldflame:

does karmic dice even work this way? i haven't had it on but i assumed it was designed to break unlucky streaks whilst allowing lucky ones

Hard to tell how it works, i can only say how it seemingly manipulated my results with the save/load concept and always pursure the road of winning. It put me in a situation where the rolls were always build to fail, no matter how often i rerolled, the numbers i needed never occured. Doesnt it say in the description that it balances the results and not only break bad strikes? If you dont save(load and just let the results be as they are im sure you will not even recognize that your numbers are rigged. If you turn karmic dice off it can happen that you will recognize losing strikes more than winning strikes, thats how the brain works, negative will affect you more.

[Eaton Knass]

Everyone in here pretending they don't save scum, smh.

[GamingWithSilvertail]

Originally posted by Harleskin GER/SLO:

Originally posted by Alex_x86:

Actually I found BG3 atmosphere quite boring compared to the one from DOS2 (I completed BG3 and the ending is quite a boring as well). But it is matter of taste I guess.

"Savescumming" is not offensive -- it is actual term that is even used in the setting of some games (XCOM comes to mind first). Just take it bit easy.

Okey, the word "scum" in it just sounds offensive, didnt know they use it as a regular term somewhere.

Really? Savescum term has been around since... atleast two decades