What does charisma do and why is it on paladin and bard?

[ItsJ-]

I know why its used for warlock later with spells but when does charisma start coming into play for bard and paladin? What spells and moves are benefiting from it I dont understand?

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I noticed that when i hover these main stats it says what classes its for but not why its for them like for instance clerics use alot of spells that require CON but for some reason it says a clerics main stat is WIS which i thought was a purely defensive stat just used to make saving throws against most spells. Should i be trusting the main stat description more than the spell description?

[Rex is back, baby!]

Each class has a stat tied to their spellcasting power and dc, as well as saving throws that they're good at.

Yes. It is class based.

Clerics don't use con for spells, but they have concentration spells, I think that's where there's confusion.

[ItsJ-]

Publicado originalmente por Rex:

Each class has a stat tied to their spellcasting power and dc, as well as saving throws that they're good at.

Yes. It is class based.

Clerics don't use con for spells, but they have concentration spells, I think that's where there's confusion.

Got ya i was just curouise i play a lot of strategy games but never DnD so just started deep diving the classes and was wondering about this.

[Drake]

Publicado originalmente por ItsJ-:

I noticed that when i hover these main stats it says what classes its for but not why its for them like for instance clerics use alot of spells that require CON but for some reason it says a clerics main stat is WIS which i thought was a purely defensive stat just used to make saving throws against most spells. Should i be trusting the main stat description more than the spell description?

No cleric spell requires cosntitution.

Save DC on the spell is not the casting stat of the spell. It's the stat the ennemy has to use to dodge the spell.
When attack spells target AC like weapon attacks, DC spells instead target a specific stat.

But all spells of a class always use the same stat.

[Khryst]

Publicado originalmente por ItsJ-:

So is this decided by class? Because when i hover the spells it doesnt say that. So are the bonuses tied to the classes rather than the spells?

Yes it's by class.

Fighter - (if you subclass into Eldritch Knight) Intelligence
Bard - Charisma
Cleric - Wisdom
Wizard - Intelligence
Sorcerer - Charisma
Paladin - Charisma
Druid - Wisdom
Ranger - Wisdom
Rogue - (if you subclass into Arcane Trickster) Intelligence

[ItsJ-]

Publicado originalmente por Drake:

Publicado originalmente por ItsJ-:

I noticed that when i hover these main stats it says what classes its for but not why its for them like for instance clerics use alot of spells that require CON but for some reason it says a clerics main stat is WIS which i thought was a purely defensive stat just used to make saving throws against most spells. Should i be trusting the main stat description more than the spell description?

No cleric spell requires cosntitution.

Save DC on the spell is not the casting stat of the spell. It's the stat the ennemy has to use to dodge the spell.
When attack spells target AC like weapon attacks, DC spells instead target a specific stat.

But all spells of a class always use the same stat.

HUGE HELP This makes alot more sense now thanks everyone!

[Drake]

Also, it's displayed rather poorly but the only time you'll see the actual casting stat on a spell is when the spell comes from something other than a class feature, like a racial spell, or a spell coming from an item.
When a spell doesn't show its casting stat, that means it's using its class stat.

[ItsJ-]

Publicado originalmente por kblaze13:

Publicado originalmente por ItsJ-:

So is this decided by class? Because when i hover the spells it doesnt say that. So are the bonuses tied to the classes rather than the spells?

Yes it's by class.

Fighter - (if you subclass into Eldritch Knight) Intelligence
Bard - Charisma
Cleric - Wisdom
Wizard - Intelligence
Sorcerer - Charisma
Paladin - Charisma
Druid - Wisdom
Ranger - Wisdom
Rogue - (if you subclass into Arcane Trickster) Intelligence

Yeah thats where i got slightly confused because something like Eldritch knight i was wondering why everyone was saying to scale into int for it and wondered if that applied to all spell casting

[asdf]

It's worth noting that at level 6 paladins gain an aura that gives +x to all saves based on the charisma modifier, which is a pretty huge deal too in addition to being their spellcasting stat (and also lay on hands is based on charisma too).

Also, while it's kind of a tangent on being their spellcasting stat, there's a helmet that gives arcane synergy (a buff you can get from a few items in the game which gives extra +damage on weapon attacks based on your spellcasting stat) and it's incredibly strong on a paladin.

[ItsJ-]

Publicado originalmente por Drake:

Also, it's displayed rather poorly but the only time you'll see the actual casting stat on a spell is when the spell comes from something other than a class feature, like a racial spell, or a spell coming from an item.
When a spell doesn't show its casting stat, that means it's using its class stat.

Going into game this all makes sense now but 1 last question how is druid scaling done in animal form? Does dmg scale based off Strength or Wisdom. (Mainly wondering if wisdom being prime stat only applies to spells since strength is usually default stat for melee besides some dex exceptions)

[Khryst]

Publicado originalmente por ItsJ-:

Publicado originalmente por Drake:

Also, it's displayed rather poorly but the only time you'll see the actual casting stat on a spell is when the spell comes from something other than a class feature, like a racial spell, or a spell coming from an item.
When a spell doesn't show its casting stat, that means it's using its class stat.

Going into game this all makes sense now but 1 last question how is druid scaling done in animal form? Does dmg scale based off Strength or Wisdom. (Mainly wondering if wisdom being prime stat only applies to spells since strength is usually default stat for melee besides some dex exceptions)

you stats in your "base" form don't matter for wildshape. Each form you take has it's own stats.

Like Cat has 2 Str 15 Dex.
Spider has 14 Str 16 Dex.
and so on for each form.

[Calv]

If you're interested in learning more about the underlying mechanics of the game, I would recommend having a read through the 5e PHB (https://5e.tools/book.html#phb).
Not everything is directly relevant to BG3, but the sections on the Classes, Ability Scores and Combat/Spells will give a good insight into how the game works.

Just remember that the game is only based on these rules, there will be some things in the PHB that you can't do in-game or that differ slightly.

[ItsJ-]

Publicado originalmente por kblaze13:

Publicado originalmente por ItsJ-:

Going into game this all makes sense now but 1 last question how is druid scaling done in animal form? Does dmg scale based off Strength or Wisdom. (Mainly wondering if wisdom being prime stat only applies to spells since strength is usually default stat for melee besides some dex exceptions)

you stats in your "base" form don't matter for wildshape. Each form you take has it's own stats.

Like Cat has 2 Str 15 Dex.
Spider has 14 Str 16 Dex.
and so on for each form.

Thanks! Never would have noticed probably

[ItsJ-]

Publicado originalmente por Calv:

If you're interested in learning more about the underlying mechanics of the game, I would recommend having a read through the 5e PHB (https://5e.tools/book.html#phb).
Not everything is directly relevant to BG3, but the sections on the Classes, Ability Scores and Combat/Spells will give a good insight into how the game works.

Just remember that the game is only based on these rules, there will be some things in the PHB that you can't do in-game or that differ slightly.

Everyone here has already answered any questions i had and the bg3 wiki. That 5e website is way to much random info. Id rather use something about bg3 is why i prefer that wiki

[Hidden Gunman]

Publicado originalmente por TheBlueFox:

Umm... From the start?

Bards don't use intelligence to cast spells, they use charisma. Their charisma bonus determines the difficulty of resisting their spells and the accuracy of their damage spells.

With Paladins, Charisma is also their casting stat if they choose to cast offensive spells. Command is harder to resist with higher charisma. So Is compelled duel

Bards mirror real life...ergo, Mick Jagger says something and its gospel...someone like me who has trouble stringing two armpit farts together couldnt hold a candle, let alone an audience.

[IPS-N LANCASTER]

They're both flavor which was worked into the classes "kits" as time went on, even in tabletop it's kind of obvious that paladins don't particularly have anything to do with being charismatic and if "intimidation" could fall into strength then they would have that as their save stat
This issue kind of falls into this being more of a game than an accurate simulation of a ttrpg, not that that's a bad thing, but bards are 'face characters' more often than not and deal with the npcs, buy the ♥♥♥♥, make the deals, ect, where in this you're going to be doing that by default so it's less important and the idea of having the person good with x skill doing x thing kind of falls to the wayside
Warlocks aren't new per se but they got a lot of development so it makes sense that a lot of their kit is pretty well-rounded when involving chr