Nere fight impossible without prior knowledge of it

[akakiryuu]

Like you cant talk your way out of the encounter and you start surrounded. Its things like this that makes me okay with save scumming. its impossible to beat blind.

[Oddball]

You only start surrounded because you let yourself start surrounded. If you saved beforehand knowing a VIP character was going to talk with you, then you can re-load, move everyone off into the side door nearby, and only talk with your tank. Then pick the dialogue options that you want, but let the two sides duke it out while your party is safely on the sidelines, waiting to mop up the wounded when they've thinned themselves out.

[donut32]

i died there at level 4 and then hit level 5 first then cleared the board in 2 rounds with OP fighter and barbarian with their sudden gain of 10 attacks per round

made the game a joke GG

[donut32]

Originally posted by Oddball:

You only start surrounded because you let yourself start surrounded. If you saved beforehand knowing a VIP character was going to talk with you, then you can re-load, move everyone off into the side door nearby, and only talk with your tank. Then pick the dialogue options that you want, but let the two sides duke it out while your party is safely on the sidelines, waiting to mop up the wounded when they've thinned themselves out.

this is why this game sucks

"you need to have 2 playthroughs and advanced knowledge of whats coming up to play. then youre ready for your first play through"

plus save scumming is just cheating. ugh

awful design

[Oddball]

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

Originally posted by Abisha:

like you can beat the Adamantium Forge boss without prior knowledgeable.
just admit it it's no shame.

I did technically beat that boss on the first try without prior knowledge, but i got lucky on boss placement + spirit weapon from my cleric. Boss kept running through lava to chase the summoned weapon. He ended up almost dying before the initial debuff he spawns with wore off, so i had enough hp left to figure out the solution.

Oh that's too funny. I summoned the ogres using the horn, but just they made a mess of things... but one of them got lucky with some WWF move and threw Nere into the lava for me (luckily his body was in safe reach after combat). During another attempt, I sided with Nere just to watch everyone else beat up on him. Lots of fun ways to do that fight!

[Oddball]

Originally posted by donut32:

plus save scumming is just cheating. ugh
awful design

Yeah, like what's the point of rolling for DC's if you can just re-load your game on key DC fails and try again...

[akakiryuu]

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

Originally posted by akakiryuu:

i didnt find the merchant at first thats why i was looking and talking to people

Elder Brithvar is directly on the path that takes you to the cave in. He's right outside the door.

Were you talking to people because you were interested, or because you were looking for a merchant and once you found the merchant no one else mattered?

All this exchange is giving me is that you're treating this game like an MMO and now you're mad that it demands more attention from you than you're used to.

I haven't played an mmo since 2010. I was interested, saw the merchant who is right next to the elder, went to merchant. saw the auto save realized he would die if left alone, thought i could free him, talk to him, then learn more and slowly start picking off people cause they are evil. And the last time i was in an enemy camp i could talk my way out of everything why would this be any different?

[Empukris]

This is one of the interesting encounter. Depends on your choice it is possible to get surrounded but I reload this fight is not because I didnt win but because I push everyone of the ledge which cause me to have a very minimal loot. Pushing people is fun thou so it is worth it.

Another time I just put a barrel directly in front of his face that this battle become laughably easy even on tactician. Proceed to destroy the rock with by throwing Javelin, Nere talk nonsense, proceed with blow his face up with tons of barrel and killing everyone below. It remove all the fun and challenge. So I reload again and do it normally for the last time. Yeah it is fun.

[Estevan Valladares]

Nere fight is among the many things if you "skip the reading" you never get.
If you try to simply "beat him", you will never.
Just read the damn dialogue and learn how to at the end of the day "fight him alone". Think I have fought him with the Just the 4 absolutists only the first time because I had that insight of "better go this way" and ignored it "way before" the fight itself started.
All other playthoughs I mostly fought him alone.
It is even funny when he asks "And what happened with the guards ?" and you say "idk, gnome rebellion perhaps". Like the broken slaves won over the guards by cheer "pick skill".

Anyways, dialogue is king there. Not build, not skill. If you just go "doing" and get him before doing anything else, you will fight the entire forge, save for a few slaves.

Like when people say "how could you know that first time game launched yesterday, no videos, no guides ?"
Read the damn text.

[akakiryuu]

Originally posted by Oddball:

You only start surrounded because you let yourself start surrounded. If you saved beforehand knowing a VIP character was going to talk with you, then you can re-load, move everyone off into the side door nearby, and only talk with your tank. Then pick the dialogue options that you want, but let the two sides duke it out while your party is safely on the sidelines, waiting to mop up the wounded when they've thinned themselves out.

yes i can reload which is why i said its impossible going in blind. who just moves everyone into combat positions before talking to anyone. with that logic any one of the druegr could have initiated combat when talked to.

[akakiryuu]

Originally posted by Oddball:

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

I did technically beat that boss on the first try without prior knowledge, but i got lucky on boss placement + spirit weapon from my cleric. Boss kept running through lava to chase the summoned weapon. He ended up almost dying before the initial debuff he spawns with wore off, so i had enough hp left to figure out the solution.

Oh that's too funny. I summoned the ogres using the horn, but just they made a mess of things... but one of them got lucky with some WWF move and threw Nere into the lava for me (luckily his body was in safe reach after combat). During another attempt, I sided with Nere just to watch everyone else beat up on him. Lots of fun ways to do that fight!

I forgot about the horn, i need to use it so i can kill them to get their drops.

[Ephemerant]

Originally posted by akakiryuu:

Originally posted by Ephemerant:

Elder Brithvar is directly on the path that takes you to the cave in. He's right outside the door.

Were you talking to people because you were interested, or because you were looking for a merchant and once you found the merchant no one else mattered?

All this exchange is giving me is that you're treating this game like an MMO and now you're mad that it demands more attention from you than you're used to.

I haven't played an mmo since 2010. I was interested, saw the merchant who is right next to the elder, went to merchant. saw the auto save realized he would die if left alone, thought i could free him, talk to him, then learn more and slowly start picking off people cause they are evil. And the last time i was in an enemy camp i could talk my way out of everything why would this be any different?

Because not every situation is the same. Not every character is the same.

You were going deep into hostile territory where you had been tasked with taking the head (presumably, if you even bothered to help the Myconids) of a nasty member of the Absolute Cult.

The possibility of a fight should have been at the forefront of your mind the entire time.

But I'm tired of this conversation. It's obviously the game's fault you missed all of the obvious hints laid about and not yours.

[Pozzy Vibes GGHF :)]

Originally posted by donut32:

Originally posted by Oddball:

You only start surrounded because you let yourself start surrounded. If you saved beforehand knowing a VIP character was going to talk with you, then you can re-load, move everyone off into the side door nearby, and only talk with your tank. Then pick the dialogue options that you want, but let the two sides duke it out while your party is safely on the sidelines, waiting to mop up the wounded when they've thinned themselves out.

this is why this game sucks

"you need to have 2 playthroughs and advanced knowledge of whats coming up to play. then youre ready for your first play through"

plus save scumming is just cheating. ugh

awful design

Not the game's fault you need to reload so much or grind exp to beat the combat puzzles in this game. Lol. You must get better.

[Recjawjind]

Originally posted by Pozzy Vibes GGHF :):

Not the game's fault you need to reload so much or grind exp to beat the combat puzzles in this game. Lol. You must get better.

Games already way too easy on tactician yeah.

[Ratman]

hold person goes brrrrrr

[Apexuss]

Originally posted by Flavalicious:

Originally posted by Rriimsi:

Skill issue. When you're surrounded by a bunch of potential enemies, you should know by now to get into a vantage point/favorable position. If you shove the one female duegar from the top of the Forge, you can literally snipe the entire fight.

"There's no foreshadowing" If you've gotten this far into the game, you should know that conversations with key characters have the potential to end in combat lol. The game makes it pretty clear right away Nere sucks too.

Bro probably long rests after out of combat chain lightning a 2 hp cat. lol. Miss so much content, so many cool scenarios if your going to just cheese the ♥♥♥♥ out of the game on every pull. Its your game, play it the way you want, but leave the superiority complex out of discussions when people play a narrated game as its intended. lol

It's DND buddy, the DMs "intentions" only mean so much lol

Cheese has nothing to do with it. Using the high ground is an advantage. That's literally an ingame feature ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ "Superiority" pffft.