(Spoilers) karlach

[Woldy]

I've completed her personal quest's and can think of no solution to her heart problem, is she doomed to die? why couldn't the engineer gnomes i saved do anything? why cant we strike a deal with zariel? why cant we just replace her heart again? Is there anything that can be done or did i screw up a long time ago? everyone else on my team seems to about have a decent end, but from the looks of things karlach will bite the dust no matter what.

[Xiwang]

Originally posted by corisai:

Originally posted by Xiwang:

halsin ma boi can you cast reincarnate in this girl?

Reincarnate will not work if soul is consumed in a some way (magic jar, hell contract, etc).

that is the reason you have her soul, it says the soul must be willing and not trapped, if i have her soul you can release it then inmediately cast reincarnate.

[corisai]

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

I dunno, just seems like intentionally delivering an inferior product, only because you know you can take a few years off to get around to finishing it...and profiting off of it, just seems .. ... like a bad work ethic, yknow?

*looking on current BG3 ratings* Nah, perfect business model. Sad but true.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

I dunno, just seems like intentionally delivering an inferior product, only because you know you can take a few years off to get around to finishing it...and profiting off of it, just seems .. ... like a bad work ethic, yknow?

I mean, if they make a 'definitive edition' like they did with DOS2. They will likely give it for free to people who have the original copy. just like with DOS2

[corisai]

Originally posted by Xiwang:

that is the reason you have her soul, it says the soul must be willing and not trapped, if i have her soul you can release it then inmediately cast reincarnate.

Nah. If her soul isn't corrupted / damaged - then high level magic could restore her body effortlessly.

It's either a bad writing, or her soul somehow bound to her hellish "heart".

[wyndhambarnhill]

Originally posted by Woldy:

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

I dunno, just seems like intentionally delivering an inferior product, only because you know you can take a few years off to get around to finishing it...and profiting off of it, just seems .. ... like a bad work ethic, yknow?

I mean, if they make a 'definitive edition' like they did with DOS2. They will likely give it for free to people who have the original copy. just like with DOS2

Yes. To us. Who already paid for a complete game, but got an incomplete game.
But they will not be giving it away for free, and will mark up the price, to others.
Sure, it's their product. They can decide to charge whatever.
I just think it's a bit scammy to begin with lol

[Woldy]

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

Originally posted by Woldy:

I mean, if they make a 'definitive edition' like they did with DOS2. They will likely give it for free to people who have the original copy. just like with DOS2

Yes. To us. Who already paid for a complete game, but got an incomplete game.
But they will not be giving it away for free, and will mark up the price, to others.
Sure, it's their product. They can decide to charge whatever.
I just think it's a bit scammy to begin with lol

They didn't increase the price for DOS2 def. It was still 60 eur.
And i doubt they will resell a game with a few tweaks at full price to those who already bought it. That would tarnish their name.

[Ashfelt]

I mean not every character can get that feel good happy ending some characters are written just to be given the short end of the stick.

[Woldy]

Originally posted by Ashfelt:

I mean not every character can get that feel good happy ending some characters are written just to be given the short end of the stick.

Which would be fine, had this not been a game with multiple diverging path's and stories, and the ever out of reach carrot that she could be saved. Really feels like an annoying tease if anything. Blueballed if you will.

[wyndhambarnhill]

Originally posted by Woldy:

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

Yes. To us. Who already paid for a complete game, but got an incomplete game.
But they will not be giving it away for free, and will mark up the price, to others.
Sure, it's their product. They can decide to charge whatever.
I just think it's a bit scammy to begin with lol

They didn't increase the price for DOS2 def. It was still 60 eur.
And i doubt they will resell a game with a few tweaks at full price to those who already bought it. That would tarnish their name.

I could be wrong in the interpretation of the sales price history graph, but I'm pretty sure they did just that with the first Divinity:
https://steamdb.info/app/373420/
39.99 for release date, Shoots up to 69.99 on Nov several years later.
And yep... price fluctuated several times (mostly discounts), but definitely went over the original price and periodically.

[wyndhambarnhill]

Originally posted by Ashfelt:

I mean not every character can get that feel good happy ending some characters are written just to be given the short end of the stick.

Good for a story.
Not good for an interactive story that markets itself on player choice, and then misleads you for a few days trying to use that player choice

[MASTERCHIEF]

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

Originally posted by Ashfelt:

I mean not every character can get that feel good happy ending some characters are written just to be given the short end of the stick.

Good for a story.
Not good for an interactive story that markets itself on player choice,

I wanted to type this exactly. you have my points.

[corisai]

Originally posted by Ashfelt:

I mean not every character can get that feel good happy ending some characters are written just to be given the short end of the stick.

That fine only if have a good reasons behind it. Like : it's fine that we can't restore sanity to a bloody maniac but it is NOT fine that we can't heal body of Karlach - spells mighty enough for this exist in base rulebooks.

Yes, our party isn't that powerful but close enough to be able find a very powerful caster and buy a spell from him (probably not with gold but by doing him a favor in form of another adventure).

Only logical reason for current Karlach ending is Act3 being rushed and incomplete (and that's partially confirmed by data-miners).

[TV-99]

Originally posted by GuliBulli:

*Spoiler regarding Karlach Quest if you continue reading**

So we know there are like 7 endings to Karlach, all in its own way bad. Either she goes Boom, back to Avernus, she turn into a Mindflayer or Evil Karlach Rules the World (only if you play as her) and then a couple variations of these endings.

If you play as Karlach, Origin Character, she goes back to Avernus and there is a little scene after she goes back where she says "Goodbye Faerun, for now." somewhat hinting that she will come back.

So I just made it Headcannon in my head that I went to Avernus with her and am fighting ♥♥♥♥ together with her while looking for a solution. At least she isn't alone. When you do the Quest for Wyll and turn him into "The Blade of Avernus" and then get to the ending; he asks Karlach if she rather die or go to Avernus and fight till there is a solution and she picks the option to go to Avernus. So again, in my Headcannon I'm telling myself "She wants to live instead of dying."

It doesn't make it a lot easier when she goes back n' forward with "I don't ever wanna go back" but also is mad about "I only have so little time left" and not wanting to die. So that helped me to at least cope a lil haha.

I hope with a Major Update that give us that after-scene like they did when you play as Karlach and maybe more uplifting dialogue where she clearly tells you she'd rather go to Avernus WITH YOU, than die. And then maybe another ending to where we can actually fully safe her.

My hope is the first DLC will be Descent into Avernus.

[LilOleTinyMe]

To be fair to larion, while some storylines could definitely be fleshed out more, I can't say this is an incomplete game. Especially if you compare the amount of content for 60 bucks compared to the vast majority of games. They gotta release at some point, the devs, voice actors and all the others gotta be paid. They typically give the definite version for free to those who purchased the base. And the upcharge for from that price history barely lasted a month. A business is a business. How do you convince management to give resources to allow you to keep working on the game after release? Show them a potential for profit by up charging for a month to make up for the additional months of work after release. They could easily just drop the game as it is, ignore all feedback and people would still buy it. All you need to look at ethically for this game is easy. Do you think what you got was worth 60 bucks? If so, why shouldn't they charge more if they continue to work on the game that was already worth the 60 dollars. Hell, she has three separate voice acted endings. 4 if you include as origin. That's far and beyond many other 60 dollar games. Looking at it this way, they could have included the definitive edition content as a dlc patch that future buyers would have to forever purchase alongside the game. Instead they upped the price for one month and then set it back to usual. I don't know why they cut content. Could be running out of time and bills needed to be paid. Could be if they opened the floor to developing her story more, then it would open the floor to all the other stories the devs want fleshed out, leading to either endless arguments of which story to push resources on or a forever pushed back release date. As far as just switching her heart or resurrecting, all that's easily handwaved by saying something along the lines of the infernal heart was installed into her soul as much as her body. It sure do like soul stuff. Infernal soul slot machine that it is.

[Creomortis]

Originally posted by wyndhambarnhill:

Originally posted by GuliBulli:

I'll be honest - it would confuse me if Larian would ever charge for an upgrade or anything like that. So far in every single game in the past, whenever they released a "Definitive Edition" it was a free upgrade (with DoS2 it was after 6 Months of release and they changed a story of a character that had a similar no bait story like Karlach) and extra content was free always free too. So I think we don't have to worry about putting more money and I'm certain with all the money they made out of this, and the feedback they are receiving we'll see a change sooner or later.

Free for us; full price for everyone else.
For those that avoided this version, because they found out it was incomplete. So Larian, as they have with their previous games, get to double dip in the sales. Sell the incomplete version to us, then sell it again at full price, maybe with a little uptick in the price tag, for the actual completed game.
Once or twice, maybe honest mistake.
Three times over now? That's a marketing plan.
Kinda rubs me the wrong way.

Agreed, normally I would be like, this is conjecture but we have their past behaviour to look at. Really disappointed.