Sorcerer feels lacking compared to Wizard

[aramintai]

I dunno if it's a bug or a feature but you can swap memorized spells for Wizard without having to rest to cast them. So you can swap them for any task at hand effortlessly. Need utility spells like invisibility, flying or misty step? Swap, done. There's gonna be combat? Swap them back to damage spells, done.

Sorcerer on the other hand is a one trick pony compared.

[Curath]

Yeah, wizard is supposed to require resting to change memorized spells. The current way it works might be intentional, to make utility spells easier to use, but as you said it also impacts class balance. Sorcerers have much more limited pool of spells, and now wizards can swap spells any time they need a different one (except mid-combat).

[アンジェル]

Originally posted by aramintai:

Sorcerer feels lacking compared to Wizard
I dunno if it's a bug or a feature but you can swap memorized spells for Wizard without having to rest to cast them. So you can swap them for any task at hand effortlessly. Need utility spells like invisibility, flying or misty step? Swap, done. There's gonna be combat? Swap them back to damage spells, done.

Sorcerer on the other hand is a one trick pony compared.

a) wizards have to prepare spells

b) you do not know sorcerer if you think it is a one trick pony, you do not know sorcerer at all

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

But can a Wizard cast a second Fireball as a bonus action? :P

[aramintai]

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

But can a Wizard cast a second Fireball as a bonus action? :P

I can deal with combat just fine without a dedicated blaster caster, the game is not that difficult. Having a spell at hand for every non-combat situation is more beneficial.

[ACS36]

lol, no sorcerer is better damage because of meta magic.

wizard is better utility because more spells.

[ACS36]

Originally posted by aramintai:

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

But can a Wizard cast a second Fireball as a bonus action? :P

I can deal with combat just fine without a dedicated blaster caster, the game is not that difficult. Having a spell at hand for every non-combat situation is more beneficial.

most of the spells are functionally useless. many of those niche scenarios can be covered by a single spell that accomplishes everything the game has to offer.

[Harukage]

Originally posted by Curath:

Yeah, wizard is supposed to require resting to change memorized spells. The current way it works might be intentional, to make utility spells easier to use, but as you said it also impacts class balance. Sorcerers have much more limited pool of spells, and now wizards can swap spells any time they need a different one (except mid-combat).

Afaik in 5e wizard can replace any memorized spell by a new one by spending 5 minutes consulting his spellbook. Larians just removed a useless bit, so it is working as intended. Wizards can replace their memorized spells at will.

[Ren O'the Blade]

Meta magic breaks the game in favor of the sorcerer. I am not running either and barely need any spells. Being able to cast what 3 fireballs? in one round is broken.

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Originally posted by aramintai:

Originally posted by Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

But can a Wizard cast a second Fireball as a bonus action? :P

I can deal with combat just fine without a dedicated blaster caster, the game is not that difficult. Having a spell at hand for every non-combat situation is more beneficial.

Well, more power to you, I'll always prefer sorcs over wizards. It's just a matter of taste.
Each of the full casters serves their own purpose, and they all play slightly different.
There is no generalized "This class is better".
You prefer wizard, others prefer Sorcs, and there is no situation in the game where you are required to have either.
And pretty much the whole utility aspect can also be solved with other means. Be it having a rogue or bard as skillmonkey, or via potions or scrolls etc...

[Merque]

Oh I'm an idiot :D I've played wizard the same way it used to be in 3.5 :D only swapped before long rest.

[Mazzle Dazzle]

Sorcerers are actually very good but they always had less utility than a wizard. It depends on what you want. Wizards also have int which is pretty much useless for skill checks, whereas charisma is quite useful for dialogues.
Also if you do 1 level wizard, 11 levels sorcerer, you get full spell progression and can learn everything from scrolls. The only penalties are you lose arcane recovery, and one asi.
Edit:
I actually do prefer wizards though just thematically cause I'm more nerdy than charismatic/willful.

[TheBlueFox]

Sorcerers output much more damage than wizards with their ability to "Consume" low level spells to cast more Higher level spells, or to cast them as bonus actions, or to cast them at two targets. They deal TONS of magical damage, Just STUPID amounts of damage...

Originally posted by aramintai:

I can deal with combat just fine without a dedicated blaster caster, the game is not that difficult. Having a spell at hand for every non-combat situation is more beneficial.

Then that's why you think Wizards are better than sorcerers... you don't need more damage. OR you don't need to DELETE enemies as fast as Sorcerers do

[Erdrick]

Sorcerer is a power house, had lvl 12 sorcerer full legendary gear and dominated

[Ren O'the Blade]

In 3rd and 3.5 edition games, they were closer, mage had more utility but could still lay the same smack down as sorcerer with prep, sorcerer had far less utility but got more casts on the best spells. Here there is no real reason I can see to use wizard, get the best utility spells on a bard/cleric or druid ETC, and get sorcerer in there to nuke everything down in a few rounds and send in the clean up crew to mop up. Not saying wizard is useless mind, not needed.

[Harukage]

Yeah, you take a red draconic sorcerer specialising in fire, and then you meet a red dragon and suck balls. That is where wizard is far superrior.