Stealth detection way too good for npcs

[Snaxxor]

Divinity 2 had this same issue, doing stealth without greater invisibility (one of the spells that only exists in the level up screen btw, hope that if your a new player you just know that, another classic larian move) the sight range is insane, and if you are caught even slightly in the red while hidden you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, but also sometimes, you can be hidden, not in the red, steal something and still caught because you were in a restricted area and all guards and npcs are ominpotent. Then if you get caught you either pay up ALL your gold, sometimes no chance to persuade and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. I don't even know why stealth is a thing when they clearly design in such a way that you can feel their hatred towards you for wanting to do it.

[Ravnhood]

You know how you can see people more than a hundred meters away in real life? DnD is super lenient.

[Kyutaru]

Use turn-based mode. Don't try to steal in real time. Also, LEAVE THE AREA after commiting a crime. The NPC will be looking around the area for suspicious people and catch you even if they didn't catch you.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Blackbird DK:

You know how you can see people more than a hundred meters away in real life? DnD is super lenient.

This.

Then again, it makes actual stealth skills useless, the only real way to reliably sneak around is by avoiding line of sight, meaning that often, in combat, a fighter in heavy armor and 8 dex ends up being just as good as a rogue with 20 dex as a stealth character.

[Daliena]

I dunno. I haven't used stealth much, because I'm awful at it, but in Shar's Gauntlet with the stealth trial, I had Astarion stand smack in front of one of the patrolling shadows and it failed to spot him. Didn't need any buffs on him either.

[Snaxxor]

Originally posted by Blackbird DK:

You know how you can see people more than a hundred meters away in real life? DnD is super lenient.

yea thanks but I want the game to be fun not autistic

[Clive Hawkins]

Invest more into the Stealth skill if you don't want to be seen ♪

A Level 11 Rogue with Expertise in Stealth (and 20 Dexterity) can't roll lower than a 23 on Stealth.

A Lightfoot Halfling rerolls Natural 1's and has Advantage on Stealth rolls.

You can stand directly in red sight-lines for 10 minutes and not be noticed. No spells needed.

[Blacksnake]

Originally posted by Snaxxor:

Divinity 2 had this same issue, doing stealth without greater invisibility (one of the spells that only exists in the level up screen btw, hope that if your a new player you just know that, another classic larian move) the sight range is insane, and if you are caught even slightly in the red while hidden you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, but also sometimes, you can be hidden, not in the red, steal something and still caught because you were in a restricted area and all guards and npcs are ominpotent. Then if you get caught you either pay up ALL your gold, sometimes no chance to persuade and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. I don't even know why stealth is a thing when they clearly design in such a way that you can feel their hatred towards you for wanting to do it.

They want you to build for stealth, and not be lazy. Wear the leather gear that gives +stealth. Use Expertise and Proficiency in Stealth. Stay in either full or half shadow (they should see you if you are standing under a bright ass light. Increase your DEX saves. There is all types of stuff you can do.

Also, use your team mates and skills. Get a bard on your team to create a performance. The NPCs will turn to them or crowd around them which can give you better angles to steal. You can have a cat familiar that does a loud Meow that draws attention to that area. And you can start a conversation with an NPC, then hit the switch party member button and take your thief behind the person being distracted.

[VladK02]

stealth detection aside, the main use of stealth is to pull off mid-combat sneak attacks and sick out-of-combat exploit snipes from rooftops. Which, coupled with double damage and a criticial from tadpole power, is a sick boss killer move.

For either of these tasks, you dont need a high stealth modifier, what you do need is that rogue ability to go into stealth as a bonus action.

so you dont need to worry about stealth detection too much, you can run around unstealthed in combat, as long as you cloak up at the end of the move. worry more about positioning, and keep casting that upgraded cat illusion with gale mid-combat :)

[wei270]

if you pay attention, you will see that many times the moment you are in line of sight you lost stealth, with no rolls. that is because you can't stealth in full light. However since this game has way too many non humans so like 50% of people have dark vision. that is why you only get stealth roll when you are in at least half darkness and out side npc darkvision range.

[VoiD]

Originally posted by Blacksnake:

Originally posted by Snaxxor:

Divinity 2 had this same issue, doing stealth without greater invisibility (one of the spells that only exists in the level up screen btw, hope that if your a new player you just know that, another classic larian move) the sight range is insane, and if you are caught even slightly in the red while hidden you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, but also sometimes, you can be hidden, not in the red, steal something and still caught because you were in a restricted area and all guards and npcs are ominpotent. Then if you get caught you either pay up ALL your gold, sometimes no chance to persuade and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. I don't even know why stealth is a thing when they clearly design in such a way that you can feel their hatred towards you for wanting to do it.

They want you to build for stealth, and not be lazy. Wear the leather gear that gives +stealth. Use Expertise and Proficiency in Stealth. Stay in either full or half shadow (they should see you if you are standing under a bright ass light. Increase your DEX saves. There is all types of stuff you can do.

Also, use your team mates and skills. Get a bard on your team to create a performance. The NPCs will turn to them or crowd around them which can give you better angles to steal. You can have a cat familiar that does a loud Meow that draws attention to that area. And you can start a conversation with an NPC, then hit the switch party member button and take your thief behind the person being distracted.

But does it matter?

You'll be rolling a D20 for every enemy in sight every 6 seconds and no matter how you build it, once a 1 lands it's all over.

[Wokelander]

Originally posted by VoiD:

Originally posted by Blacksnake:

They want you to build for stealth, and not be lazy. Wear the leather gear that gives +stealth. Use Expertise and Proficiency in Stealth. Stay in either full or half shadow (they should see you if you are standing under a bright ass light. Increase your DEX saves. There is all types of stuff you can do.

Also, use your team mates and skills. Get a bard on your team to create a performance. The NPCs will turn to them or crowd around them which can give you better angles to steal. You can have a cat familiar that does a loud Meow that draws attention to that area. And you can start a conversation with an NPC, then hit the switch party member button and take your thief behind the person being distracted.

But does it matter?

You'll be rolling a D20 for every enemy in sight every 6 seconds and no matter how you build it, once a 1 lands it's all over.

If only they'd realized natural 1's on skill rolls isn't an autofail, just like it says in the Core rulebook of the game system they've spent half a decade implementing...

[Clive Hawkins]

Natural 1's?

That's why Halflings make the best stealthers (reroll 1's.)

[Kyutaru]

When in doubt, create your own concealment. There's spells in the game that let you create Fog Clouds, Darkness, Invisibility, or just misty step to dark position. You can easily move in and out of an obscuring spot to stealth and then snipe.

[Snaxxor]

Originally posted by Blacksnake:

Originally posted by Snaxxor:

Divinity 2 had this same issue, doing stealth without greater invisibility (one of the spells that only exists in the level up screen btw, hope that if your a new player you just know that, another classic larian move) the sight range is insane, and if you are caught even slightly in the red while hidden you are ♥♥♥♥♥♥, but also sometimes, you can be hidden, not in the red, steal something and still caught because you were in a restricted area and all guards and npcs are ominpotent. Then if you get caught you either pay up ALL your gold, sometimes no chance to persuade and get ♥♥♥♥♥♥. I don't even know why stealth is a thing when they clearly design in such a way that you can feel their hatred towards you for wanting to do it.

They want you to build for stealth, and not be lazy. Wear the leather gear that gives +stealth. Use Expertise and Proficiency in Stealth. Stay in either full or half shadow (they should see you if you are standing under a bright ass light. Increase your DEX saves. There is all types of stuff you can do.

Also, use your team mates and skills. Get a bard on your team to create a performance. The NPCs will turn to them or crowd around them which can give you better angles to steal. You can have a cat familiar that does a loud Meow that draws attention to that area. And you can start a conversation with an NPC, then hit the switch party member button and take your thief behind the person being distracted.

Bro, I am literally using astarion with 20 dex and the best gear that I can find and it doesn't matter at all if when I do everything right, staying out of the red and remaining hidden, if you steal anything, you will instantly get caught or the npcs will run across the entire world to catch one of your party members. That's only for stealing, lockpicking has the same effect. Somehow the npcs are able to detect you doing something they don't like, even when there's no way they should be able to react to you. Then let's say your in the red, the time in-between rolling to detect you is also fast asf, so if you get lucky you might pass the first check of being hidden in the red for at least 1 second, it won't matter if you just kept getting lucky because again, the npc can detect you doing something illegal even when they can't see you, just for being in a restricted area they shouldn't know that your in.

[Daliena]

Originally posted by Snaxxor:

Originally posted by Blacksnake:

They want you to build for stealth, and not be lazy. Wear the leather gear that gives +stealth. Use Expertise and Proficiency in Stealth. Stay in either full or half shadow (they should see you if you are standing under a bright ass light. Increase your DEX saves. There is all types of stuff you can do.

Also, use your team mates and skills. Get a bard on your team to create a performance. The NPCs will turn to them or crowd around them which can give you better angles to steal. You can have a cat familiar that does a loud Meow that draws attention to that area. And you can start a conversation with an NPC, then hit the switch party member button and take your thief behind the person being distracted.

Bro, I am literally using astarion with 20 dex and the best gear that I can find and it doesn't matter at all if when I do everything right, staying out of the red and remaining hidden, if you steal anything, you will instantly get caught or the npcs will run across the entire world to catch one of your party members. That's only for stealing, lockpicking has the same effect. Somehow the npcs are able to detect you doing something they don't like, even when there's no way they should be able to react to you.

My only experience with stealing was in Creche Y'llek. I was able to steal the parasite samples with zero trouble - the doctor never even noticed, despite me using a character with barely any stealth ability, as long as I wasn't in her direct vision.

Picking the knight's pocket for the stone to open the barrier, meanwhile, after a moment she'd notice it was missing, yes - but just clear out of her room and she'd go back to normal soon enough and wouldn't question me when I passed through again.