Baldur's Gate 3

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CatraGirl Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:10am
Gale's "forced" romance
So apparently some people have real trouble just picking the 2nd dialogue option here, judging by all the whining about the "forced" romance event with Gale:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3021022451

And if you pick the first option, the game literally gives you another choice to back out. You have to pick intimacy TWICE in order to make it this. So if you complain about this scene "being forced on you", that just shows you're apparently incapable of reading and selecting the right dialogue option.
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高天原 Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:49am 
Originally posted by Dragonirian:
Originally posted by 高天原:
More like a genetic defect because homophobia is observed only in humans.
Medicine is only made by humans as well.
This is incorrect.
Daliena Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:49am 
Originally posted by 高天原:
Baldur's Gate 3 earned it's "Adventure" tag because it makes people explore their sexuality.

*Chokes on my drink*

Well played.
高天原 Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:50am 
Originally posted by Daliena:
Originally posted by 高天原:
Baldur's Gate 3 earned it's "Adventure" tag because it makes people explore their sexuality.

*Chokes on my drink*

Well played.
I made a funni at last >:B
Tommy Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:51am 
Originally posted by アンジェル:
Originally posted by Tommy:
The romance's are weird. For me the romance option with Gale, Shadowheart and Wyll never came up. I assume this is because I did very few long rests in Act 1. Lae'zel jumped me right from the start. Astarion was next, but it ended after I made him drink the Drow's blood in Act 2 for the permanent strength potion. Karlach's romance started and I got the kiss scene, but as I killed the Strange Ox in Act 1 for the Shapeshifter's Boon Ring the smith Dammon directly moved to Act 3 instead of Act 2. As you can not get the second upgrade for her in Act 2 without Dammon the romance got automatically cancelled when moving over to Act 3. So it seems the only possible romance for me is Lae'zel.

I see that often and wondered: people understand the approval system, and how it works, right?
I have maximum approval with Gale, Shadowheart and Wyll. The issue seems that all of the romances are tied to long rest events. If you do too few long rests the possible events pile up and you only see the events with higher priority. Some lower priority events come up later, but most romance long rest events get cancelled and never come up.
Gregorovitch Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:51am 
The way BG3 works with regard to romance is basically this:

1. The companions will immediately pursue romantic advances with total disregard for gender by making comments when you open conversations with them. Some more overtly, others less so, depending on their characters.

2. All companions are fully bisexual as is normal in modern games that have romance options available for obvious reasons.

3. There will usually be 2-4 possible replies you can give to these overtures and you will have to choose one of them, you can't just ignore them, so you have to deal with it one way or another.

4. Unlike most games were there be just one option by which the player can take forward romantic possibilities, in BG3 there is usually just one option that shuts down the possibility.

5. The other options will tend to imply pursuing romance options on a scale of "true romance" to "plain debauchery".

6. Some of the "true romance" type options may look a bit like rejections to some players which is probably why some folks are getting hot under the collar about this. I.e. they are misinterpreting the intended meaning of the dialogue option in question (or are just selecting options at random).

7. If you correctly identify the outright rejection option the companion in question will respect that and in future may bring the subject up again on a sort of "well you know where I am if you change your mind <wink wink>" basis.

8. There are two things IMHO that throw some players off about this romance issue in BG3 by virtue of the fact that they differ significantly from what we normally see in RPGs with regard to romance:

a) Unlike most RPGs in BG3 there is usually only one dialogue option amongst many to shut down romantic advances instead the usual situation in other games where there is usually just one to encourage it.

b) Unlike in most RPGs where the player needs to go to some effort to get a romance going (i.e. the companions tend to play hard to get) in BG3 all the companions are always up for it from the get go by default.

So:

Originally posted by SnuffSaid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcoaLR9FoQ

Now here's the full video, which is proper context.

That player character selects the dialogue option;

"Sink deep into your magic. It is who you are. You are home."

This is a completely, objectively innocent statement that leads directly into sexual tension and intimacy, without further input nor agency. You can witness this for yourself in the video from 3 minutes onward.

No it's not an "innocent" statement (whatever you mean by by innocent). It's a deeply personal and empathetic statement indicative of a willingness to deepen a relationship in the full knowledge that the other party has already indicated romantic interest in you.

As I pointed out in my bullet points above, in BG3 there will usually be only one dialogue option that shuts down the romance stuff. If you don't want it you have to be careful about picking it correctly as all other options will leave the door open.
高天原 Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:52am 
Originally posted by Tommy:
Originally posted by アンジェル:

I see that often and wondered: people understand the approval system, and how it works, right?
I have maximum approval with Gale, Shadowheart and Wyll. The issue seems that all of the romances are tied to long rest events. If you do too few long rests the possible events pile up and you only see the events with higher priority. Some lower priority events come up later, but most romance long rest events get cancelled and never come up.
I think that's a big reason too. I frequently long rest so the progress of my relationships with the companions feel a lot more fluid. I guess people just don't long rest frequently.
Hyena Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:52am 
Originally posted by Nelartux:
Originally posted by Hyena:
4. My character ends up on a romantic date with Gale under the stars, my character even moves closer to him so their bodies touch, Gale makes moves on my character.

People are defending such things by going "Oh just don't flirt with him" or "You can't read social cues, bro". It's insanity.

Damn, two boys touched shoulders, that means they are gay. I dunno what country you live in but for most people that kind of physical contact is normal between friends.

The guy opens his heart knowing he probably has to die in the next few days and people think it's some kind of romance. He doesn't do anything if you don't try to flirt with him or if you did but picked another character, you just chill under the stars that are for once not clouded with the shadows.


1. Moving up to a guy to rub shoulders is considered "romantic" here, yes. It is not done between straight guys.
2. Player didn't get to choose whether they want to do this action.
3. Gale starts sharing his feelings instead of talking about something important.
4. My character ignored Gale until the wizard guy came. Gale has no reason to even assume I want to hear his whining about feelings.
5. He separates my character from the group under false pretenses to make romantic moves on my character.
Daliena Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:52am 
Originally posted by Nelartux:
Originally posted by Hyena:
4. My character ends up on a romantic date with Gale under the stars, my character even moves closer to him so their bodies touch, Gale makes moves on my character.

People are defending such things by going "Oh just don't flirt with him" or "You can't read social cues, bro". It's insanity.

Damn, two boys touched shoulders, that means they are gay. I dunno what country you live in but for most people that kind of physical contact is normal between friends.

The guy opens his heart knowing he probably has to die in the next few days and people think it's some kind of romance. He doesn't do anything if you don't try to flirt with him or if you did but picked another character, you just chill under the stars that are for once not clouded with the shadows.

As you may have seen earlier in this thread, I accidentally "flirted" (I maintain that that was neither my intent nor at all implied by the dialogue prior, and I immediately turned him down after, AND had already romanced someone else by the time the starlit night scene happened) with Gale, but I am not particularly bothered by that scene.

My homie's convinced he's 'boutta die big-time, for the purposes of earning the forgiveness of a deity (who if you ask me, doesn't deserve his faith, but that's another debate..), so I'm fine with just.. Being there for him. As a friend.
SnuffSaid Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:53am 
Originally posted by Gregorovitch:
Originally posted by SnuffSaid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcoaLR9FoQ

Now here's the full video, which is proper context.

That player character selects the dialogue option;

"Sink deep into your magic. It is who you are. You are home."

This is a completely, objectively innocent statement that leads directly into sexual tension and intimacy, without further input nor agency. You can witness this for yourself in the video from 3 minutes onward.

No it's not an "innocent" statement (whatever you mean by by innocent). It's a deeply personal and empathetic statement indicative of a willingness to deepen a relationship in the full knowledge that the other party has already indicated romantic interest in you.

As I pointed out in my bullet points above, in BG3 there will usually be only one dialogue option that shuts down the romance stuff. If you don't want it you have to be careful about picking it correctly as all other options will leave the door open.

By innocent I mean it has no discernible romantic overtones. That is an objective fact, not an opinion.

And again, Gale had expressed zero interest in me romantically before this scene, which is part of the reason it was so jarring. Neither of us had shown any romantic interest and suddenly we're making googly eyes at eachother.
Brian Sirith Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:54am 
You kinda flirt with him before that. At least I think my PC was giving him flirty looks and vice versa. I don’t even know how to describe the PCs facial expressions. I was laughing through the dialog. Thing needs rewriting
アンジェル Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:56am 
Originally posted by 高天原:
Originally posted by Tommy:
I have maximum approval with Gale, Shadowheart and Wyll. The issue seems that all of the romances are tied to long rest events. If you do too few long rests the possible events pile up and you only see the events with higher priority. Some lower priority events come up later, but most romance long rest events get cancelled and never come up.
I think that's a big reason too. I frequently long rest so the progress of my relationships with the companions feel a lot more fluid. I guess people just don't long rest frequently.

It is not just long rest. It also matters whether you have a character all the time in your party and they approve or disapprove of your "day to day" adventures actions. The longer you have them with you, the more approval/disapproval points they can gather.

During long rest only the scripted events move the approval points further. From how people react to those scenes, I am no longer sure if everyone knows that... obvious thing...
アンジェル Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:56am 
Originally posted by Pookie101:
Oh please you all need to grow up and play a bard as the gods intended

Only a bard can make such a joke. :Kyle:
ProestUnicorn Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by Jill Sandwich:
Originally posted by SnuffSaid:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWcoaLR9FoQ

Now here's the full video, which is proper context.

That player character selects the dialogue option;

"Sink deep into your magic. It is who you are. You are home."

This is a completely, objectively innocent statement that leads directly into sexual tension and intimacy, without further input nor agency. You can witness this for yourself in the video from 3 minutes onward.

Gale is obviously flirting with you here. But you have the option to back out before it gets serious. There is absolutely zero issue unless you're super insecure because magic man likes you...

Originally posted by Hyena:
"The moment feels intimate"

Yeah, you already got violated, champ.

My eyes get violated by reading all these awful takes from insecure homophobes on this board.
This is just one of like 6+ triggers for him, and the most obvious too. Most people get caught on Mystra illusion event, wanting to learn some magic, there is no prior indicator of flirt in it for example.

Same stuff like with the scene when He tells You very worriedly about his sickness and if we can meet up later and talk about it, because He doesn't want to scare them just yet. Considering it is near big event about it, quite inocent, less innocent when it turns out to be a picnic under a starry sky where he is holding your hand, or more.

I actually started a new playthrough as a total douche, and so far after slaughtering druids and thieflings on which He completly disagrees - He is the only one that will not leave out
of good companions, and even says something that could be considered hate-flirt.

After that, till the middle of act 2, being laughed at, ridiculled, and me being overall spitefull trash towards him, He is still trying to invite me on dates, even though the only time I touched him was when he just yanked my arm and showed me the ''source of his sickness''.

People who don't see how persistent He is are either playing the game in a very atypical way, or are not fishing for interactions each camp rest and outside. Game mistakes being friendly for horny quite a lot, but the only one who does not understand ''NO'' and will try to hit on You is Gale.

My friend is playing a ''bard playthrough'' which basically means putting his ''tool'' into everything that allows it(or doesn't) and it turns out that gale will do that even if You're in open relation with 12 characters, while insisting that You're his exclusive love and will not allow anyone else to have You, or He breaks up. Seems to be the only option to not be pursued by him so far, though my friend is at the beginning of act 3, so we are waiting for when Gale will try again.
Hyena Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:57am 
Originally posted by アンジェル:
Originally posted by 高天原:
I think that's a big reason too. I frequently long rest so the progress of my relationships with the companions feel a lot more fluid. I guess people just don't long rest frequently.

It is not just long rest. It also matters whether you have a character all the time in your party and they approve or disapprove of your "day to day" adventures actions. The longer you have them with you, the more approval/disapproval points they can gather.

During long rest only the scripted events move the approval points further. From how people react to those scenes, I am no longer sure if everyone knows that... obvious thing...

So if you ignore Gale and never have him in your party, you think it's normal he makes moves on you?

I only pulled him out of the portal and later was in the talk with him and his wizard friend about his quest. So how was his approval so high he wanted to bang me?
maniacal<1> Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:58am 
Originally posted by Jill Sandwich:
So apparently some people have real trouble just picking the 2nd dialogue option here, judging by all the whining about the "forced" romance event with Gale:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3021022451

And if you pick the first option, the game literally gives you another choice to back out. You have to pick intimacy TWICE in order to make it this. So if you complain about this scene "being forced on you", that just shows you're apparently incapable of reading and selecting the right dialogue option.

And, since idiots like you can't see to understand a basic concept, even when you CHOOSE THAT OPTION he still persists on jumping all over you. I CHOSE that option in my play through. Everyone in camp still thought we were a thing. Karlach even told me she didn't mind sharing me with him....after I chose THAT OPTION.

And, similarly, he stops you to comment about how he would've preferred a head's up if you engage in a relationship with someone else. This was AFTER he engaged me after a fight in the Shadow Forest to make sure I knew that fights got him horny. Good to know, Gale, you ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ degenerate!

What is so hard to understand that Gale's conversations and relationship choices are bugged? Why do you take other people's proven issues with the game as some kind of personal attack, to the point you felt obligated to post some obtuse thread like this?
Last edited by maniacal<1>; Aug 16, 2023 @ 3:59am
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