How do you make a working Dual Wield build?

[Aksolotli]

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[Gaius]

Publicado originalmente por Aksolotli:

Publicado originalmente por Blood of Kerensky:

Nobody said every build is equal.

But there is no damage. Why?

The real answer is - 5e doesn't give dual wielding the same tools.

Yeah, you could go all in and take 3 lvs in rogue for thief 2 bonus actions, paladin for 2 weapon style (remembering fighter action surge is less powerful compared to GWM buids), then spend your spell slots as smite - this is a good alpha trike build that basically empty the fuela tank in every short encounter.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Dual wielding is only good if you are using magic weapons that can potentially proc on every hit and then maybe some class ability that does the same - so, like Berserker/Rogue.

[[OTS]EchoZenLogos]

I did dual-wielding with my Monk and picked a feat for it, because with the feat and a dagger I could raise my armor class by 2 (I'm almost level 11 and have 21 base armor class, 23 if I buff myself).

Yet I realized only after the fact that it just isn't very viable. I do less damage than I do with a good 2h versatile weapon (which I can use as a Monk weapon), and it takes a "Bonus Action" to use an off-hand attack. Considering my bonus actions already are needed for both Illithid Powers (which the game seems to force to use bonus actions as a "reward" after a certain point) and for Flurry of Blows (my main damage and crowd control source in a pinch), in practice I just do a lot less damage. Despite needing feats and such to use two weapons effectively, the fact the game wants to use twice as many actions to do less than twice as much damage makes it feel bad.

I also find it very unfortunate that so many things I do as a Monk require bonus actions, yet I only get one unless I use my special Monk ability that only works once per Long Rest. I'll see how it is once I finish my current run.

[jamesc70]

Granted I'm only level 6, but my rogue is quite good with dual swords (perk? that lets you use other weapons). I also have a perk(?) that allows me to attack after a sneak attack, so I stealth->sneak attack->get another attack right away... being able to get off 2 attacks back to back like that lets me take out casters/annoying enemies easily before they can do anything.

Also, since he gets to attack right after a sneak attack, my other chars can move in and get off attacks from stealth before any enemy has a turn.

Good thing is I can always respec if later on he isn't so good.

[Airatome]

My Two-Weapon Fighting build works on par with GWM builds only because there's so much more oomph coming from other sources.

Hunter Ranger 5 Assassin Rogue 7 with Dual Wielder works like this:

Use full 1d8 weapons instead of light weapons

+1 AC when Duel Wielding to make you even harder to hit on top of your high Dexterity + Light armor

Main hand attack has a max ceiling of 1d8+5 (if Dex can reach 20) + 1d6 from Hunter's Mark

Extra Attack is another round of 1d8+5 + 1d6 Hunter's Mark (because Hunter's Mark activates on every single attack not just once per turn.

Bonus Action Off-Hand Attack is ANOTHER round of 1d8+5 + 1d6 from Hunter's Mark.

With optional Haste we add a forth round of 1d8+5 and 1d6.

Then we add in 1d8 once per round for Colossus Slayer (better than once per entire combat damage from Gloomstalker) and up to 4d6 each round from Sneak Attack. If Assassinate or a crit lands? That doubles the dice on 1d8 weapon damage, 1d6 Hunter's Mark damage, 1d8 Colossus Slayer damage, and 4d6 Sneak Attack damage.

With advantage and 4 attacks per round, that's a lot of crit potential.

This isn't counting potential magic items I am not aware of in BG3 at the time of this posting that fit the 1d6 light or 1d8 normal Dex weapon types which may add even further damage.

If you think D&D 5E and by extension Baldur's Gate 3 isn't just as much fun for Dex focused builds (several more things want you to have high dex than strength) then you haven't messed around with build theory long enough.

Is this better than what a Barbarian with a heavy axe and GWM thaf actually lands that -5 to hit with +10 damage can put out? Maybe not... but it wont be any less fun if you favor finess over brute strength.

Besides... I can take our favorite badass Tiefling Bae with me and have the best of both worlds. My Hunter Assassin may be hard to hit with that extra AC and appropriate stealth tactics but, a sexy meat shield who can give as good as she gets certainly won't hurt my survivability.

[Grumpy Old Guy]

Publicado originalmente por wendigo211:

Paladin 8/Rogue (Thief 4), get your dual wield damage from smites.

Edit: sorry, it would have to be Pally 2/Bard (Sword) 6/Rogue (Thief 4) since Pallies don't get 2W style, but Bards do.

If you want to do that go Paladin 7 Rogue 3 Fighter 2

Fighter 2 gets you fighting style and action surge, Rogue 3 gets you sneak attack and two bonus actions, Paladin 7 gets you aura of hate (charisma to attacks). More damage than improved divine smite.

Although currently Paladin 7 Warlock 5 also works really well because currently deepened pact and extra attack stack for three swings a turn, charisma attack, aura of hate, and short rest spell slots. With great weapon master you can potentially swing with a static +20 damage.

[Pieshaman]

I just give them a torch in the off hand, it still do an extra 1d4 + 1d4 fire :P

[Operation40]

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[Airatome]

Publicado originalmente por Operation40:

step 1: pick up 2 salami

My above ALSO works with salami. It's my Combat Cold-Cut build!!

[Pieshaman]

Publicado originalmente por Operation40:

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[Uncle Brandon]

I made a high dex and high con character that is 5 levels barbarian and the rest in rogue. Dual wielding two finesse weapons is making her a freak compared to my other characters. I am pleasantly shocked at how good this build is working out.