BUFF DRAGONBORN

[JIF]

pls, i love dragonborn but their breath attack is way too limited and doesnt scale at all with level, so it ends up being completely useless.

the devs really shafted dragonborn for no reason, and its a real shame. theyre by far kinda the weakest race, with no bonuses besides their incredibly garbage breath attack and resistance to only one element.

i wanna rip people apart with my teeth, have a bonus to strength or a natural armor bonus, or some draconic feats, and have my breath attack progressively get much stronger as i play.

instead i get to spit acid for a little bit of chip damage in a tiny area (that doesnt even coat the ground with acid??) and it costs a whole action instead of a bonus action, and i gotta long rest?? get outta here with that GAHRBaje

[DevilripperTJ]

if dragonborn would get the same bonus ac as sorc with subclass monk and barb builds would be crazy strong early on you would start with a unarmored unbuffed 18 ac :/ idk that seems a bit to strong if it was only plus 1 and additinal plus 1 at lvl 6 and 11 i can see it work the resistance is pretty nice tho it can result in immunity thanks to it and that way you can have a frontliner and still throw fireballs on them and many explosions happen aswell.

[KaffeeRausch]

Publicado originalmente por DevilripperTJ:

if dragonborn would get the same bonus ac as sorc with subclass monk and barb builds would be crazy strong early on you would start with a unarmored unbuffed 18 ac :/ idk that seems a bit to strong if it was only plus 1 and additinal plus 1 at lvl 6 and 11 i can see it work the resistance is pretty nice tho it can result in immunity thanks to it and that way you can have a frontliner and still throw fireballs on them and many explosions happen aswell.

Then we don't give Dragonborn a feat like "Dragon Hide", but the breath weapon from Fizban's Treasury of Dragons.

[JIF]

also, some of the breath weapons dont behave as they should.

i speak specifically of the acid breath attack, since im currently playing my black dragonborn barbarian. i expected the acid breath to coat the ground in acid as well besides just hitting enemies directly, providing some degree of area denial.. cuz yknow, its acid, similar to the acid splash spell or throwing an acid bottle.

i cant find any mods to remedy this specific annoyance i have, so i just felt like pointing it out... #fixacidbreathpls

[ACS36]

The game is released. They aren't buffing anything or nerfing anything. They'll do bug fixes and quality of life improvements, but I wouldn't expect balancing at all.

[FuscusNight]

And I'll probably make another again in my 2nd run despite them being basically a race with no gameplay traits with how useless the breath is beyond the first like hand full of hours but their visual design surpass everyone elses.

[Nomad]

Dragonborn make no sense in this game.

- No AC bonus or DR despite being covered in scales is WTF levels of stupid.
- No ability to use natural weapons Even with having a tail, claws and very nasty looking teeth.
- no scaling on the breath weapon is super lame

Dragonborn are basically half dragons but they sure as hell dont feel like that at all. They are such a cool race too, so these shortcomings are super disappointing.

[KaffeeRausch]

He also explained very well why the Dragonborn are so uninteresting to play with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vm910IyORcw&t=138s

In addition, there is little customization in character optimization.
-No scars.
-Horns and *head hair* cannot be selected individually.
-Compared to other races with their 40 hairstyles, the amount of horns *head hair* in Dragonborn is a bit small.
-The *eyes brown* replacement and cheeks don't adjust much (although I'm grateful the chin and lower cheek spikes are possible).
-Lipstick looks pretty bad on a muzzle, cheek lines would be better.
-No ornaments for the horns.

[Nomad]

Publicado originalmente por Niob87:

I would also prefer the Dragonborn from "Fizban's Treasury of Dragons".

They have a "Breath Weapon" with a 30 foot range in a line, damage increases at 5th level (2d10), 11th level (3d10), and 17th level (4d10).
At max level 12 you would still have 3d10 damage.

The Metal Dragonborn's "Breath Weapon" would have more options.

With the folk feat "Dragon Fear" you would also have an option to create something useful like fear effects.

The fact that the amount of charges depends on the CON mod makes the uses very limited.

Draconomicon is probably the single best book about dragons in D&D that has been released. The only unfortunate thing is that the book is from 3.5 ed. Which depending on whether you are like me and prefer 3.5 to 5th ed because of the sheer amount of options, material available, and modularity is actually a positive. Actually it is probably one of the best books they printed in 3.5. Definitely worth a read. some of the info it has can be used for 5th edition because it has a lot of info that would help with the RP aspects for both DMs and Players.

[JIF]

Publicado originalmente por Nomad:

Dragonborn make no sense in this game.

- No AC bonus or DR despite being covered in scales is WTF levels of stupid.
- No ability to use natural weapons Even with having a tail, claws and very nasty looking teeth.
- no scaling on the breath weapon is super lame

Dragonborn are basically half dragons but they sure as hell dont feel like that at all. They are such a cool race too, so these shortcomings are super disappointing.

fr... they look like absolute units, but theyre super generic in terms of gameplay options despite their large arsenal of natural weapons and their draconic ancestry....

[KaffeeRausch]

Publicado originalmente por Nomad:

Publicado originalmente por Niob87:

I would also prefer the Dragonborn from "Fizban's Treasury of Dragons".

They have a "Breath Weapon" with a 30 foot range in a line, damage increases at 5th level (2d10), 11th level (3d10), and 17th level (4d10).
At max level 12 you would still have 3d10 damage.

The Metal Dragonborn's "Breath Weapon" would have more options.

With the folk feat "Dragon Fear" you would also have an option to create something useful like fear effects.

The fact that the amount of charges depends on the CON mod makes the uses very limited.

Draconomicon is probably the single best book about dragons in D&D that has been released. The only unfortunate thing is that the book is from 3.5 ed. Which depending on whether you are like me and prefer 3.5 to 5th ed because of the sheer amount of options, material available, and modularity is actually a positive. Actually it is probably one of the best books they printed in 3.5. Definitely worth a read.

I don't know the book, but I heard that D&D 3.5 and DSA 3.5 should have been good.

The Ancients Rule Too Many Races before "Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse" is now described as `*Classic* or *Legendary*.
So old rules within D&D 5th?
That makes little hope that Larian will change something.

STOP arguing here!
If we actually want to get laran to rework Dragonborn. We should probably go to the official Larian Studios Baldur's Gate 3 forum and express our wishes and criticism there!

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=82&page=1

[Nomad]

Publicado originalmente por Niob87:

Publicado originalmente por Nomad:

Draconomicon is probably the single best book about dragons in D&D that has been released. The only unfortunate thing is that the book is from 3.5 ed. Which depending on whether you are like me and prefer 3.5 to 5th ed because of the sheer amount of options, material available, and modularity is actually a positive. Actually it is probably one of the best books they printed in 3.5. Definitely worth a read.

I don't know the book, but I heard that D&D 3.5 and DSA 3.5 should have been good.

The Ancients Rule Too Many Races before "Mordenkainen Presents: Monsters of the Multiverse" is now described as `*Classic* or *Legendary*.
So old rules within D&D 5th?
That makes little hope that Larian will change something.

STOP arguing here!
If we actually want to get laran to rework Dragonborn. We should probably go to the official Larian Studios Baldur's Gate 3 forum and express our wishes and criticism there!

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=postlist&Board=82&page=1

3.5 is like 5th edition but has more options, WAY more books and is not as streamlined. One of the biggest differences baseline that players would notice immediately is 3.5 has a Base attack bonus stat which is absent for 5th edition. Because of this, new players for D&D may find it a bit daunting to get into because of the sheer amount of options available, but I feel it is the superior edition for players who are more seasoned. Thats not to say that 5th edition is bad, i just think 3.5 is the best. I was 12 when i started playing D&D and i could get the 3.5 rules and mechanics down. So not terribly complex on the ruleset and mechanics, but expansive, and a bit different from what modern D&D players might be used to. I say give it a shot sometime.

As for your other inquiry, 3.5 edition and 5th edition are different enough to not really be compatible generally, or at the very least make conversion or adaptation a little challenging (though not impossible), but Draconomicon has some material that can be used for 5th edition campeigns because it has information on dragon society, psychology and other aspects that are useful for RP purposes.

[Raythered]

Publicado originalmente por Nomad:

Dragonborn make no sense in this game.

- No AC bonus or DR despite being covered in scales is WTF levels of stupid.
- No ability to use natural weapons Even with having a tail, claws and very nasty looking teeth.
- no scaling on the breath weapon is super lame

Dragonborn are basically half dragons but they sure as hell dont feel like that at all. They are such a cool race too, so these shortcomings are super disappointing.

Dragonborn are not basicly half-dragons, half-dragons and dragonborn are two different things in d&d, the dragonborn represented in BG3 are pretty much the dragonborn from the 5e players handbook, weak as they are.

However the Dragonborn race has been improved since, with the release of supplements for 5th edition. You'll not see natural weapons or armour on the base race, but these things were added in as feat options.

The breath weapon was improved eventualy to a 1d10 initialy that scales, 2d10 at 5 and 3d10 at 11, you could use it in place of an attack so it no longer used your full action. But i wouldn't hold my breath for larian to implement such changes, unless they have some big dlc or patch in a year or two

[KaffeeRausch]

The right forum for wishes and criticism.

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=875444

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=878022

https://forums.larian.com/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=857271#Post857271

[Wiegs]

It's a racial feature, it's not supposed to be that strong to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't need to pick a class.

Also don't you dare, elemental resistances are amazing.

[KaffeeRausch]

Publicado originalmente por Wiegs:

It's a racial feature, it's not supposed to be that strong to begin with, otherwise you wouldn't need to pick a class.

Also don't you dare, elemental resistances are amazing.

Nevertheless, Dragonborn are really bad compared to other races, with humans they should have taken the "variant" with the selectable "Feat".
The "Breath weapon and elemental resistance" argument is simply weak compared to the abilities of the drow, duegar, etc.