Is larian still considered indie , they published themselves.

[cire87]

Are they still considered indie , even though they have like 300-400 people working on the game ?

[cire87]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

This is the definition from wikipedia: An indie game, short for independent video game, is a video game typically created by individuals or smaller development teams without the financial and technical support of a large game publisher, in contrast to most "AAA" (triple-A) games.

None of that applies to Larian because they aren't small and they have large financial support and technical support just from within instead of external. You could maybe argue they are indie but come August 3rd no way.

i think size is the only thing we can argue , everything else is within larian

[King of Scrubz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

typically created by

Larian clearly are atypical ;P

They are independent but not "indie". At the Game Awards this year BG3 will not be up for best Indie game. They have clearly evolved beyond that.

[Nox]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Muppethero:

independent means they are independent of a publisher, not the size of the company.

And they better stay independent :D

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Larian clearly are atypical ;P

They are independent but not "indie". At the Game Awards this year BG3 will not be up for best Indie game. They have clearly evolved beyond that.

Larian is clearly indie. However the game is still tripple a...see one of my previous comments...you are mixing up 2 different things. tripple a isn't the opposite of indie.
Indie means independent from people who could influence the production.
Tripple A is a grading of the quality/production value.

[King of Scrubz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

They are independent but not "indie". At the Game Awards this year BG3 will not be up for best Indie game. They have clearly evolved beyond that.

Larian is clearly indie. However the game is still tripple a...see one of my previous comments...you are mixing up 2 different things. tripple a isn't the opposite of indie.
Indie means independent from people who could influence the production.
Tripple A is a grading of the quality/production value.

Exactly bro it is a Triple A game, therefore Larian is a Triple A self published studio or they will be come AUG 3. Being self published alone does not make you "Indie". So you think BG3 is going to be in the best indie game category this Dec?

[cire87]

yea so far this game it top quality

[Yojo0o]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Larian is clearly indie. However the game is still tripple a...see one of my previous comments...you are mixing up 2 different things. tripple a isn't the opposite of indie.
Indie means independent from people who could influence the production.
Tripple A is a grading of the quality/production value.

Exactly bro it is a Triple A game, therefore Larian is a Triple A self published studio or they will be come AUG 3. Being self published alone does not make you "Indie". So you think BG3 is going to be in the best indie game category this Dec?

If we're differentiating between small and large games, we shouldn't be using "indie". Relative size is an implication of the indie label, but fundamentally the distinction is whether or not the developer is independent.

[cire87]

I hope larian remains independent

[Heu, Iterum Id Feci]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Larian is clearly indie. However the game is still tripple a...see one of my previous comments...you are mixing up 2 different things. tripple a isn't the opposite of indie.
Indie means independent from people who could influence the production.
Tripple A is a grading of the quality/production value.

Exactly bro it is a Triple A game, therefore Larian is a Triple A self published studio or they will be come AUG 3. Being self published alone does not make you "Indie". So you think BG3 is going to be in the best indie game category this Dec?

Again, indie and tripple a are not mutually exclusive. one describes independence the other production value.
It will probably not be nominated for indy, because the majority confuses both things, and thus would feel strange about it, but it would fit the indie category perfectly well.
BG3 is an indie tripple a title. It's simply an extreme edge case, where those definitions break apart.

[King of Scrubz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Yojo0o:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

Exactly bro it is a Triple A game, therefore Larian is a Triple A self published studio or they will be come AUG 3. Being self published alone does not make you "Indie". So you think BG3 is going to be in the best indie game category this Dec?

If we're differentiating between small and large games, we shouldn't be using "indie". Relative size is an implication of the indie label, but fundamentally the distinction is whether or not the developer is independent.

I agree. The OP used the word indie. I just do not think that term applies to Larian anymore. Independent yes, indie no. Also some indie studios get their games picked up by big studio. They are still indie is scale and scope despite being release by Microsoft or whomever.

[King of Scrubz]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Ursprünglich geschrieben von King of Scrubz:

Exactly bro it is a Triple A game, therefore Larian is a Triple A self published studio or they will be come AUG 3. Being self published alone does not make you "Indie". So you think BG3 is going to be in the best indie game category this Dec?

Again, indie and tripple a are not mutually exclusive. one describes independence the other production value.
It will probably not be nominated for indy, because the majority confuses both things, and thus would feel strange about it, but it would fit the indie category perfectly well.
BG3 is an indie tripple a title. It's simply an extreme edge case, where those definitions break apart.

That is the long and short of it. Nobody in the industry is going to classify this as "Indie". Also Larian is beholden to Wizards or the Coast. If this were DoS 3 your point would be harder to argue against. Larian is developing AND Publishing another company's IP. Indie just does not apply here.

[Kyutaru]

King doesn't determine the definition of indie, and neither does a random wikipedia quote. It's always meant publisherless independent studios and to call Larian not an indie is to INSULT their rise without outside influencers and their own establishment as a company. Plenty of game companies began as self-made studios, heck most of the ones Electronic Arts owns started as indie studios that made world class games of triple A quality.

[cire87]

im not super bright but indie means independent right ? if so then the discussion is over

[boo_guy]

Ursprünglich geschrieben von Kyutaru:

heck most of the ones Electronic Arts owns started as indie studios that made world class games of triple A quality.

And then EA wrecked them with their meddling shareholder-focused BS.

I hope a decent DA4 gets out, they've said the right things about it so far but we're still a long way off from the actual game. Plenty of time for EA to ♥♥♥♥ it all up.

[Mollerz]

I think that this game may move them from indie to AAA