Friends spell is getting me killed.

[otakon17]

Do NOT use it on Kaghra to boost your chances of saving the kid through dialogue, soon as it ends the penalty kicks in and the ENTIRE ROOM goes hostile against you. Also WHY DOESN'T THE GAME PAUSE IN MENUS!?

[Aldain]

Rule of thumb, never use mind altering magic on anyone you expect to have more than one conversation with.

[otakon17]

Originalmente postado por Runic Tunic:

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

It doesn't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ matter what the description says OUTSIDE the game. IN the game, all it says is "MIGHT accuse the caster". The Attitude adjustment is high enough to cause someone to MURDER you seems a little extreme. And so far every time it's basically done that I've cast it on someone. I wanted to get better prices for my gear since the blacksmith was literally charging 200% for stuff I could otherwise afford.

1. It does matter because the game itself uses 5e as a base.

2. Might means it's possible. Context is the point of the word "might." Like what was already said, Kagha does not like you, and you are quite literally temporarily brain washing her to get your way. So you are the hostile actor in this scenario, not Kagha. It functions this way because it's similar to how 5e (what the game is based on) functions.

Just how it is. It's not meant to be used as a free ticket. Now you know.

Considering every time I've used it resulted in me getting accosted, that's not a might. This is an ALWAYS. And I'm not trying to use it as a free ticket considering the huge amount of times I've had to reroll to beat ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CHA checks of *FIVE* so far. What is this games obsession with giving me the lowest roll all the time?

[zero]

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

Originalmente postado por Runic Tunic:

1. It does matter because the game itself uses 5e as a base.

2. Might means it's possible. Context is the point of the word "might." Like what was already said, Kagha does not like you, and you are quite literally temporarily brain washing her to get your way. So you are the hostile actor in this scenario, not Kagha. It functions this way because it's similar to how 5e (what the game is based on) functions.

Just how it is. It's not meant to be used as a free ticket. Now you know.

Considering every time I've used it resulted in me getting accosted, that's not a might. This is an ALWAYS. And I'm not trying to use it as a free ticket considering the huge amount of times I've had to reroll to beat ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CHA checks of *FIVE* so far. What is this games obsession with giving me the lowest roll all the time?

turn off karma dice.

but yeah, in a real D&D game, the enemies may not attack you cause the dm can roleplay as them.

this is a video game however, so there isn't a lot you can do to make an AI respond organically like that, so combat starts.

[KingOfFriedChicken]

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

Originalmente postado por Runic Tunic:

1. It does matter because the game itself uses 5e as a base.

2. Might means it's possible. Context is the point of the word "might." Like what was already said, Kagha does not like you, and you are quite literally temporarily brain washing her to get your way. So you are the hostile actor in this scenario, not Kagha. It functions this way because it's similar to how 5e (what the game is based on) functions.

Just how it is. It's not meant to be used as a free ticket. Now you know.

Considering every time I've used it resulted in me getting accosted, that's not a might. This is an ALWAYS. And I'm not trying to use it as a free ticket considering the huge amount of times I've had to reroll to beat ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ CHA checks of *FIVE* so far. What is this games obsession with giving me the lowest roll all the time?

Yeah in the options check to make sure karmic dice are off for sure, especially if you are reloading for outcomes. Karmic dice seem to be loaded in the save file and if you are in a negative karma state you pretty much can't beat it and it doesn't seem to have a bias of which mode you are in, if you rolled good for an entire combat your next set of speech choices ate gonna suffer for that luck or vice versa sometimes. It basically loads the dice in an attempt to keep it near 10 average but it's not a great loaded system overall.

[Mosey]

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

Originalmente postado por Sonic Titan:

I don't know what you were expecting?

I wasn't expecting INSTANT DEATH SENTENCE, that's what I wasn't expecting. Making it basically completely useless as you're penalized for using it. Kinda messed up actually. "Take this seemingly useful spell! Oh wait it basically makes everyone attack you soon as it's over, HAHA!"

The spell description tells you this, so you really should have expected it unless you're just using spells on random people to see what they do.

[otakon17]

Originalmente postado por Mosey:

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

I wasn't expecting INSTANT DEATH SENTENCE, that's what I wasn't expecting. Making it basically completely useless as you're penalized for using it. Kinda messed up actually. "Take this seemingly useful spell! Oh wait it basically makes everyone attack you soon as it's over, HAHA!"

The spell description tells you this, so you really should have expected it unless you're just using spells on random people to see what they do.

Do you lack reading comprehension?
*MIGHT*, not always, not likely, not most assuredly. MIGHT. If they accost you 100% of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, it is not a a MIGHT, it is "They will most certainly accost you after casting the spell". The in-game spell description is misleading and the cantrip is a trap. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

[Bisexual Offender]

Turns out people don`t like being ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ into being someones friend. Weird.

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

Originalmente postado por Dαятн Wαfflεmαncεя:

Honestly I love the irony in "Friends" being one of the quickest ways to make permanent enemies...I hope they never change that...xD

I hope they do change it because right now, it's *worthless* for playing a Diplomat.

Diplomats aren't supposed to use brain-washing magic on people they are attempting to negotiate with, that's what Charisma based skills are for. 😁

I love the fact that the Friends cantrip gets this reaction from time to time, it's hilarious!

[Pan Darius Cassandra]

Originalmente postado por otakon17:

Originalmente postado por Mosey:

The spell description tells you this, so you really should have expected it unless you're just using spells on random people to see what they do.

Do you lack reading comprehension?
*MIGHT*, not always, not likely, not most assuredly. MIGHT. If they accost you 100% of the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time, it is not a a MIGHT, it is "They will most certainly accost you after casting the spell". The in-game spell description is misleading and the cantrip is a trap. It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

Every NPC has an approval bar - getting caught using Friends (or Charm Person) on them lowers their approvsl. Lower it enough, and they'll attack.

[Kiru]

Who would have thought that behaving like a mindflayer will make people treat you like one. :P Did you sit down to talk it out with the illithid who was pushing its thoughts into your head after you realized what it was doing too?

[otakon17]

Originalmente postado por Kiru:

Who would have thought that behaving like a mindflayer will make people treat you like one. :P Did you sit down to talk it out with the illithid who was pushing its thoughts into your head after you realized what it was doing too?

Yeah I really liked the original version of the spell that just gave you a six point Charisma boost.